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Jul 08, 2014

Grounding an Inverter?

Sorry if this is silly, but I'm not that familiar with conventions of doing electrical work on a vehicle that uses the chassis as the negative conductive path.
So, I'm installing an inverter in my 5th wheel. Directions say to run pos and neg wires to the inverter from the battery (2 wires makes sense, given the current they might be handling). Then they say to run a ground wire from the inverter ground connection to the chassis of the vehicle. Now it just so happens that the only negative lead for the battery grounds to the frame. So, electrically, rather than ground the inverter to the frame, could I either a) connect the ground wire to the negative terminal of the battery, or b) just tap off of the main neg. going to the inverter, and use the tap to go to the inverters ground?
On the 120v side, it has a GFCI outlet - would either of the variations above mess with how that works?

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So, I'm installing an inverter in my 5th wheel. Directions say to run pos and neg wires to the inverter from the battery (2 wires makes sense, given the current they might be handling). Then they say to run a ground wire from the inverter ground connection to the chassis of the vehicle. Now it just so happens that the only negative lead for the battery grounds to the frame. So, electrically, rather than ground the inverter to the frame, could I either a) connect the ground wire to the negative terminal of the battery, or b) just tap off of the main neg. going to the inverter, and use the tap to go to the inverters ground?
On the 120v side, it has a GFCI outlet - would either of the variations above mess with how that works?","body@stringLength":"906","rawBody":"Sorry if this is silly, but I'm not that familiar with conventions of doing electrical work on a vehicle that uses the chassis as the negative conductive path.
So, I'm installing an inverter in my 5th wheel. Directions say to run pos and neg wires to the inverter from the battery (2 wires makes sense, given the current they might be handling). Then they say to run a ground wire from the inverter ground connection to the chassis of the vehicle. Now it just so happens that the only negative lead for the battery grounds to the frame. So, electrically, rather than ground the inverter to the frame, could I either a) connect the ground wire to the negative terminal of the battery, or b) just tap off of the main neg. going to the inverter, and use the tap to go to the inverters ground?
On the 120v side, it has a GFCI outlet - would either of the variations above mess with how that works?","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2014-07-07T19:56:50.000-07:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1250817_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":18449},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"searchSnippet":"Sorry if this is silly, but I'm not that familiar with conventions of doing electrical work on a vehicle that uses the chassis as the negative conductive path. 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I also got mine installed with the DPDT. I also install an indicator light to tell me when the inverter is on since it is mounted in the storage compartment.

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As far as conflicts between the inverter/converter...I got around that the easy way - there is one dedicated line coming from the inverter. If there is anything I need to run, I'll plug it into that outlet. 600w is too small for the AC, microwave, toaster, coffee maker, etc. We've got workarounds for all those from our tent camping days, anyway. All of the systems seem to be happy running at 12v, except the TV, so that will be the primary use. Now I just have to manage the amps for best battery life....","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-07-11T10:56:02.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-07-11T10:56:02.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1302},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:DIYMaintenance/message:1250817/message:1250846","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"874","rawBody":"Thanks to wwest who gave the most concise reason as to why jumpering the neg to the ground on the inverter may not be the best idea. FYI, I completed my install yesterday, as per the manuals instructions, and all is well. Still not completely clear on the theory of grounding, but it is more of an academic issue than an implementation issue for me now.
As far as conflicts between the inverter/converter...I got around that the easy way - there is one dedicated line coming from the inverter. If there is anything I need to run, I'll plug it into that outlet. 600w is too small for the AC, microwave, toaster, coffee maker, etc. We've got workarounds for all those from our tent camping days, anyway. All of the systems seem to be happy running at 12v, except the TV, so that will be the primary use. Now I just have to manage the amps for best battery life....","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1250846_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:339200":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:339200","uid":339200,"login":"KJINTF","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-09-04T07:24:39.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:339200"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1250845":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1250845","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1250845":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:339200"},"id":"message:1250845","revisionNum":1,"uid":1250845,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:DIYMaintenance"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1250817"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1250817"},"subject":"Re: Grounding an Inverter?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1250845"},"body":"enblethen

Agreed
This little inverter does not have an integrated transfer switch (which typically takes care of the neutral / ground switching) nor a charging function as the larger Inverter/Chargers do. Not sure when but the flexibility this little guy offers without that fixed internal connection could be of some use.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-07-10T08:09:01.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-07-10T08:09:01.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1304},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:DIYMaintenance/message:1250817/message:1250845","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"338","rawBody":"enblethen

Agreed
This little inverter does not have an integrated transfer switch (which typically takes care of the neutral / ground switching) nor a charging function as the larger Inverter/Chargers do. Not sure when but the flexibility this little guy offers without that fixed internal connection could be of some use.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1250845_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:39":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:39","position":29,"name":"Nomad","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:1336":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1336","uid":1336,"login":"enblethen","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-01-05T14:08:17.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:39"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1336"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1250844":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1250844","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1250844":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1336"},"id":"message:1250844","revisionNum":1,"uid":1250844,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:DIYMaintenance"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1250817"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1250817"},"subject":"Re: Grounding an Inverter?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1250844"},"body":"JJINTF:
Drawing is correct. Of course it is; that is how it is designed and tested by a testing laboratory such as UL or CSA. It grounds the neutral establishing a service point. Normally this connection is within the inverter and does not require an external jumper.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-07-10T07:56:51.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-07-10T07:56:51.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1302},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:DIYMaintenance/message:1250817/message:1250844","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"273","rawBody":"JJINTF:
Drawing is correct. Of course it is; that is how it is designed and tested by a testing laboratory such as UL or CSA. It grounds the neutral establishing a service point. Normally this connection is within the inverter and does not require an external jumper.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1250844_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1250843":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1250843","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1250843":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:339200"},"id":"message:1250843","revisionNum":1,"uid":1250843,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:DIYMaintenance"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1250817"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1250817"},"subject":"Re: Grounding an Inverter?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1250843"},"body":"It does indeed
Check out the Morningstar Solar web site
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It appears to show the inverter's chassis ground tied to the A/C neutral wire (white wire) and an Earth ground (which I would assume is the RV's frame). That's the first time I've come across that layout for an inverter.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-07-10T07:38:16.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-07-10T07:38:16.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1300},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:DIYMaintenance/message:1250817/message:1250842","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"515","rawBody":"This is the max size allowed by the forum:

It appears to show the inverter's chassis ground tied to the A/C neutral wire (white wire) and an Earth ground (which I would assume is the RV's frame). That's the first time I've come across that layout for an inverter.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1250842_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:320182":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:320182","uid":320182,"login":"wwest","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-03-17T16:58:27.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:320182"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1250841":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1250841","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1250841":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:320182"},"id":"message:1250841","revisionNum":1,"uid":1250841,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:DIYMaintenance"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1250817"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1250817"},"subject":"Re: Grounding an Inverter?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1250841"},"body":"
Flapper wrote:
Sorry if this is silly, but I'm not that familiar with conventions of doing electrical work on a vehicle that uses the chassis as the negative conductive path.
So, I'm installing an inverter in my 5th wheel. Directions say to run pos and neg wires to the inverter from the battery (2 wires makes sense, given the current they might be handling). Then they say to run a ground wire from the inverter ground connection to the chassis of the vehicle. Now it just so happens that the only negative lead for the battery grounds to the frame. So, electrically, rather than ground the inverter to the frame, could I either a) connect the ground wire to the negative terminal of the battery, or b) just tap off of the main neg. going to the inverter, and use the tap to go to the inverters ground?
On the 120v side, it has a GFCI outlet - would either of the variations above mess with how that works?


Internal to the inverter the battery negative connect, also chassis ground, is often NOT carried over, connected to the inverter output side. GFI may not (cannot?) work unless the inverter case is connected to the RV chassis ground.

ALL 120 VAC current, amps, flowing in the HOT side (black wire) of the 120 VAC source MUST return on the neutral (white) wire. If ANY current is detected flowing in the 120 VAC ground return (green) wire the GFI will trip, open the circuit.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-07-10T07:33:26.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-07-10T07:33:26.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1294},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:DIYMaintenance/message:1250817/message:1250841","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1447","rawBody":"
Flapper wrote:
Sorry if this is silly, but I'm not that familiar with conventions of doing electrical work on a vehicle that uses the chassis as the negative conductive path.
So, I'm installing an inverter in my 5th wheel. Directions say to run pos and neg wires to the inverter from the battery (2 wires makes sense, given the current they might be handling). Then they say to run a ground wire from the inverter ground connection to the chassis of the vehicle. Now it just so happens that the only negative lead for the battery grounds to the frame. So, electrically, rather than ground the inverter to the frame, could I either a) connect the ground wire to the negative terminal of the battery, or b) just tap off of the main neg. going to the inverter, and use the tap to go to the inverters ground?
On the 120v side, it has a GFCI outlet - would either of the variations above mess with how that works?


Internal to the inverter the battery negative connect, also chassis ground, is often NOT carried over, connected to the inverter output side. GFI may not (cannot?) work unless the inverter case is connected to the RV chassis ground.

ALL 120 VAC current, amps, flowing in the HOT side (black wire) of the 120 VAC source MUST return on the neutral (white) wire. If ANY current is detected flowing in the 120 VAC ground return (green) wire the GFI will trip, open the circuit.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1250841_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1250840":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1250840","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1250840":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:339200"},"id":"message:1250840","revisionNum":1,"uid":1250840,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:DIYMaintenance"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1250817"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1250817"},"subject":"Re: Grounding an Inverter?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1250840"},"body":"The inverter install is as above
Check Morningstar web site for specifics

The Transfer switch aka DPDT 30amp relay came from a defective 50amp transfer switch out of a old inverter / charger - Darn thing had 12 of these very nice heavy duty DPDT relays in it.

Obtained the relay coil power from a plug in brick 115ac to 12VDC. The AC input to the brick comes directly from inverter. The DPDT connections open both White aka neutral and Black aka hot lines after the breaker and before the recp. Really very simple install and does for us exactly what it was inteneded to do.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-07-10T07:31:23.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-07-10T07:31:23.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1298},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:DIYMaintenance/message:1250817/message:1250840","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"604","rawBody":"The inverter install is as above
Check Morningstar web site for specifics

The Transfer switch aka DPDT 30amp relay came from a defective 50amp transfer switch out of a old inverter / charger - Darn thing had 12 of these very nice heavy duty DPDT relays in it.

Obtained the relay coil power from a plug in brick 115ac to 12VDC. The AC input to the brick comes directly from inverter. The DPDT connections open both White aka neutral and Black aka hot lines after the breaker and before the recp. Really very simple install and does for us exactly what it was inteneded to do.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1250840_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1250839":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1250839","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1250839":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:45378"},"id":"message:1250839","revisionNum":1,"uid":1250839,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:DIYMaintenance"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1250817"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1250817"},"subject":"Re: Grounding an Inverter?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1250839"},"body":"
KJINTF wrote:
I agree the Breaker is part of the standard wiring and might not be needed on the inverter source leg if the inverter has a dedicated fuse or breaker.

There are hundreds of ways to properly install an inverter. I used a 30amp DPDT relay with a 12Vdc coil to isolate a single AC circuit, one of the two recp circuits. When the inverter is \"on\" the circuit is always inverter powered when \"off\" and I have shore or gen power the circuit is powered normally.

Grounding is indeed confusing because we really do not have a ground in the RV's. This is from the Morningstar Sure Sine 300 manual - wired mine this way except the AC output with it's 3amp fuse drives the 30amp DPDT relay.



I can't really see the diagram, but do you think you could post a diagram of how you have your's wired? It sounds like you have a homemade transfer switch.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-07-10T07:05:55.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-07-10T07:05:55.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1292},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:DIYMaintenance/message:1250817/message:1250839","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1036","rawBody":"
KJINTF wrote:
I agree the Breaker is part of the standard wiring and might not be needed on the inverter source leg if the inverter has a dedicated fuse or breaker.

There are hundreds of ways to properly install an inverter. I used a 30amp DPDT relay with a 12Vdc coil to isolate a single AC circuit, one of the two recp circuits. When the inverter is \"on\" the circuit is always inverter powered when \"off\" and I have shore or gen power the circuit is powered normally.

Grounding is indeed confusing because we really do not have a ground in the RV's. This is from the Morningstar Sure Sine 300 manual - wired mine this way except the AC output with it's 3amp fuse drives the 30amp DPDT relay.



I can't really see the diagram, but do you think you could post a diagram of how you have your's wired? It sounds like you have a homemade transfer switch.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1250839_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1250838":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1250838","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1250838":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:339200"},"id":"message:1250838","revisionNum":1,"uid":1250838,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:DIYMaintenance"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1250817"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1250817"},"subject":"Re: Grounding an Inverter?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1250838"},"body":"I agree the Breaker is part of the standard wiring and might not be needed on the inverter source leg if the inverter has a dedicated fuse or breaker.

There are hundreds of ways to properly install an inverter. I used a 30amp DPDT relay with a 12Vdc coil to isolate a single AC circuit, one of the two recp circuits. When the inverter is \"on\" the circuit is always inverter powered when \"off\" and I have shore or gen power the circuit is powered normally.

Grounding is indeed confusing because we really do not have a ground in the RV's. This is from the Morningstar Sure Sine 300 manual - wired mine this way except the AC output with it's 3amp fuse drives the 30amp DPDT relay.

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There are hundreds of ways to properly install an inverter. I used a 30amp DPDT relay with a 12Vdc coil to isolate a single AC circuit, one of the two recp circuits. When the inverter is \"on\" the circuit is always inverter powered when \"off\" and I have shore or gen power the circuit is powered normally.

Grounding is indeed confusing because we really do not have a ground in the RV's. This is from the Morningstar Sure Sine 300 manual - wired mine this way except the AC output with it's 3amp fuse drives the 30amp DPDT relay.

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