I own a 2014 Ram 1500 Crew Cab with the RamBox 5'7" bed. I have factory installed towing, and the 5.7 Liter Hemi engine. I want to get a Fifth wheel toy hauler to tow two Harley Streetglides weighing approx 1600lbs combined. The GVWR is 10300lbs, Max Payload is 1625lbs...Do they even make a Fifth wheel toy hauler that would work? I cannot seem to find anything. I was told that I could get the AirLift product that would increase my GVWR by 1000lbs, but still I am having trouble finding a fifth wheel that meets those requirements. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Daton

There is nothing short of a different truck that you can do to increase your trucks GVWR. There are some band aids that will help carrying a load though. As for hauling a 10K fiver? Forget it. That translates into approx 2000 pounds in pin weight. Your Ram simply does not have that much capacity after you add 350 pounds for hitch, people weight over and above 150 pounds, plus what ever you might add.

If you want to go by the book, you can't increase the 1625lb payload. If you try anyway, make sure to look at everything (tires, rims, axles, springs, etc...) Air bags will level the load but everything else is still over capacity)After subtracing a couple hundred lbs for the hitch and probably another few hundred for misc cargo in the truck, you are probably looking at less than 1000lbs capacity available to handle the pin weight. That would be a tiny 5th wheel. Figure around 20-25% of the 5th wheel as pin weight for a starting figure. You also have to be careful with toy haulers if you tow without the 1600lbs of motorcycle in the back as a counter weight, you might be adding 800-1000lbs to the pin weight.

Do not know of any toy hauler 5th wheels for that truck, there was a post regarding a grey wolf 25rr that would be close .The airlift kit will not increase your payload, it will take some of the squat out of your truck. Your payload is the number on the sticker and nothing aftermarket will increase or change that number, some people are bothered by this, state in an accident you could be liable to fault for overloading a vehical. Others ignor and do not care.I towed about 8000 pds with a 1500 ram, airlift kit and erased tires. Towed ok, not great, found it to hard to travel long distance without getting tired.

Sorry, but with a 1625 payload, you will not find a toy hauler that will fit the bill. If you add 150 pounds for a hitch, then 600 for driver, passenger and cargo, you're down to 875 pounds left for pin weight. I looked at a couple of light weight fifth wheel product lines, and here is the Unloadedpin weight:Keystone Cougar - 244RLSWE - 1270 PoundsGrand Design Reflection - 29RS - 1476 Pounds And these are not even toy haulers. I also looked at travel trailer toy haulers. Most of them have an unloaded hitch weight of around 1000+ pounds. That might possibly work for you, but it would be really close.As for your comment about the Air Command adding 1000# to your GVWR. Who ever told you that is mistaken. Please refer to the first FAQ in the attached website. Air Command says their products will not increase GVWR.Air Command FAQ

People ask questions like this ,I tell them to use a smart car to tow. Sounds mean but it is YOUR family and their lives, that is the most important thing! I've driven and towed over 180,000 miles and seen the results of stupid. Sorry but it is what it is.

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N-Trouble
Explorer
Jan 26, 2015
There are lightweight 5ers out there that can b towed by 1/2 tons but not in the TH segment. I have what could be considered one of the smallest/lightest 5er THs on the market and no way would I feel comfortable towing it with a 1/2 ton even empty let alone loaded.

3/4 ton is a minimum for any 5er TH available today.
Dirtclods
Explorer II
Jan 26, 2015
DatonPlace wrote:
I own a 2014 Ram 1500 Crew Cab with the RamBox 5'7" bed. I have factory installed towing, and the 5.7 Liter Hemi engine. I want to get a Fifth wheel toy hauler to tow two Harley Streetglides weighing approx 1600lbs combined. The GVWR is 10300lbs, Max Payload is 1625lbs...Do they even make a Fifth wheel toy hauler that would work? I cannot seem to find anything. I was told that I could get the AirLift product that would increase my GVWR by 1000lbs, but still I am having trouble finding a fifth wheel that meets those requirements. Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
Daton

AirLift product that would increase my GVWR by 1000lbs. NO..... I have air bags on the same truck just to keep it level and so it rides better. I tow a 19" ft attitude toy hauler Dry weight is 5800 after gear dirt bikes and water it's 7200 even at that it's working going up some passes in Calif.
atwowheelguy
Explorer
Jan 24, 2015
I have a '13 F150 Ecoboost, GVWR 7100#, RGAWR 3850#, payload 1607#.

After searching for 53 weeks to find a nice used one near home, I bought a FunFinder Xtra XT-245.

Max axle weight: 7000# (2 x 3500#)
GVWR: 7765#
Brochure weight: 4650#
Yellow sticker "as built" weight: 5025#
Actual weight with two dirt bikes (~550# total bike wt.):6740#
Axle weight with two dirt bikes: 6000#

Towing this trailer loaded for camping with two dirt bikes, with two people in the truck, the truck is only 180# under GVWR and only 50# under RGAWR.

I liked the FunFinder XT-276 that I have seen touted as "1/2 ton towable", but it would have significantly overloaded my truck.

A fifth wheel toy hauler just doesn't work with a 1600# payload.
camp-n-family
Explorer
Jan 24, 2015
The GVWR is 10300lbs, Max Payload is 1625lbs

Just curious where you got these numbers from? A 1500 Ram has a GVWR around 6800lbs and the payload with a rambox shortbox (crewcab?) is likely less than 1625lbs. A crewcab Laramie 4x4 with the rambox for example is only 1120lbs. What does your actual door sticker say?

As for the TH fiver question, you need a bigger truck. Even a conventional bumper pull TH that won't be over that trucks limits will be tough to find. Very few 1/2 tons are suited for towing fivers. Even fewer for a fiver TH.
CKNSLS
Explorer
Jan 24, 2015
The only half-ton fifth wheel towable is in the mind of the RV salesman. The payload is not enough for fifth wheels on half tons.

BTW-this is coming from a half-ton owner.
ChooChooMan74
Explorer
Jan 24, 2015
kaydeejay wrote:
ChooChooMan74 wrote:
........... First, you can increase payloads or GVW. ...........
Please explain how this is done for the average guy. (Not Coachbuilders who CAN recertify units)
Thanks
Typo on the phone. Edited. Thanks for correcting.
Strabo
Explorer
Jan 24, 2015
When i had my 05' F150 4x4 SC shortbed, i towed a 2003 Jayco Talon ZX 24' bumper pull toyhauler, i had firestone bags, CAI intake and catback exhaust system. I towed with that setup for several years, brakes were my biggest issue, the hauler weighed in at 10,000 fully loaded....

Worked for me but i drove like an old lady with that rig and truck combo. I hauled my rhino in the hauler.

All my friends in here called it the "Barbie Truck Starter Kit"....Friends are priceless!!
souraider
Explorer
Jan 24, 2015
KZ toy hauler
2112
Explorer II
Jan 23, 2015
Google Palomino Puma Toy Hauler
kaydeejay
Explorer
Jan 23, 2015
error corrected so comment removed