2500 Dodge Big Horn Towing

[hickorytcharm]

I would like help or explanation on the weights for towing.
GVWR 10000
PAYLOAD 2380
BASE WEIGHT TOTAL 7620
FRONT 4707 REAR 2913
GAWR FRONT 5750 REAR 6000
GCWR 25300
MAX. TRAILER WEIGHT RATING
17210
So we have a 2016 2500 short bed 4x4 Dodge Diesel
Looking at a 2015 Solitude @ 12650 pounds** based on average
Hitch weight 2600** based on average
GVWR 16,000

Are we within our limits?
Thanks

[Coach-man]

hickorytcharm wrote:
Chris, This is called research. We owned the truck, just starting looking at 5th wheels. Trying to understand all the codes. 2 other things. 1. the dodge dealership will tell you that you can pull anything and the rv dealership says you got plenty of power.
Just doing my research that's all.

Of course they say it will pull anything! You saw the commercial with the Toyota pulling the space shuttle! It is not about pulling when your dealing with a 5th wheel! A bumper pull trailer puts 300 to 500 lbs. on the bumper, which is “nothing”. A 5th wheel puts 2,000 to 3,000 lbs. in the bed of the truck. That is what the deal with a 5th wheel is about. That much weight must be taken into account, your tranny, rear end, brakes, wheels, tires, and suspension. People get this confused all the time, then they look at the “towing” stats, and have the salesman tell you, “it will tow anything”!

[hickorytcharm]

Chris, This is called research. We owned the truck, just starting looking at 5th wheels. Trying to understand all the codes. 2 other things. 1. the dodge dealership will tell you that you can pull anything and the rv dealership says you got plenty of power.
Just doing my research that's all.

[hickorytcharm]

To answer Chris's question. Had the truck just wanted an explanation of the weights.
That's all plain and simple. Heard of putting airbags on the rear or leaf springs. So whose to say we won't go back to a dually or pass on this trailer. All I was looking for was an explanation. Plain and simple.

[Me_Again]

LIKE2BUILD wrote:

hickorytcharm wrote:
I would like help or explanation on the weights for towing.
GVWR 10000
PAYLOAD 2380
BASE WEIGHT TOTAL 7620
FRONT 4707 REAR 2913
GAWR FRONT 5750 REAR 6000
GCWR 25300
MAX. TRAILER WEIGHT RATING
17210
So we have a 2016 2500 short bed 4x4 Dodge Diesel
Looking at a 2015 Solitude @ 12650 pounds** based on average
Hitch weight 2600** based on average
GVWR 16,000

Are we within our limits?
Thanks

I tow a 5er that's in the exact same weight range with my 2014 RAM with no issues at all. I do use Timbrens, but aside from that the truck is bone stock.

These 2500 RAMs are a bit of an odd duck. Usually, I'm a stickler for staying within the sticker, but these trucks do differ a bit. Basically, the 10,000lbs GVWR is simply a numbers thing so they can stick a 2500 badge on the side. Anything over 10K lbs and the OEM is required to call it a 1-ton or greater.

If you look at the axle ratings I believe the rear is 6500 and the front is 6000. Realistically, you can go higher than 10K lbs and still be fine in these trucks. Stay within the tire and axle limits and you're fine.

KJ

With a 8850 dry weight I doubt that you have a 16k GVWR like the OP.

[LIKE2BUILD]

hickorytcharm wrote:
I would like help or explanation on the weights for towing.
GVWR 10000
PAYLOAD 2380
BASE WEIGHT TOTAL 7620
FRONT 4707 REAR 2913
GAWR FRONT 5750 REAR 6000
GCWR 25300
MAX. TRAILER WEIGHT RATING
17210
So we have a 2016 2500 short bed 4x4 Dodge Diesel
Looking at a 2015 Solitude @ 12650 pounds** based on average
Hitch weight 2600** based on average
GVWR 16,000

Are we within our limits?
Thanks

I tow a 5er that's in the exact same weight range with my 2014 RAM with no issues at all. I do use Timbrens, but aside from that the truck is bone stock.

These 2500 RAMs are a bit of an odd duck. Usually, I'm a stickler for staying within the sticker, but these trucks do differ a bit. Basically, the 10,000lbs GVWR is simply a numbers thing so they can stick a 2500 badge on the side. Anything over 10K lbs and the OEM is required to call it a 1-ton or greater.

If you look at the axle ratings I believe the rear is 6500 and the front is 6000. Realistically, you can go higher than 10K lbs and still be fine in these trucks. Stay within the tire and axle limits and you're fine.

KJ

[Me_Again]

goducks10 wrote:

me again wrote:


My question is the normal one, why do people buy 250/2500 and then want to tow mid to larger 5th wheels?

Chris

He already owns the 2500. He's just looking at too heavy of 5th wheels.
Question is why do people look at too big of 5th wheels? Well in some cases they don't understand weights and are usually suckered in by the RV sales person.
Give the OP credit here. At least he came on this site to ask questions.

"then want to tow mid to larger 5th wheels?" I think I said what you said.

Chris

[IdaD]

Me Again wrote:
So it is a given that you will be over the truck low 10K GVWR. I do not believe Az charges tonnage, so going over GVWR may not be a problem.

The problem you will have is that you will be over the low 6000 lb rear axles rating. If you have the LT275/70R18E tires rated to 3640 each, then you will be OK on tires.

We tow a 16K GVWR Bighorn that has a dry pin weight of 2435. I end up with around 6650 or more on the rear axle of the 2015 3500 CC SB 4x4 RAM. That is with a Demco picture frame and B%W manual slider plus stuff in the bed boxes.

So you will only meet the manufactures GCWR, and will be over GVWR and RGAWR. Did you look at the door placard for the actual RGAWR, some say it is 6500 lbs?

My question is the normal one, why do people buy 250/2500 and then want to tow mid to larger 5th wheels?

Chris

I think the only current model 2500's with the 6000# RAWR are the base 5.7 trucks with 17" wheels. The vast majority have the 6500 lb rating and larger wheels.

[goducks10]

Me Again wrote:
So it is a given that you will be over the truck low 10K GVWR. I do not believe Az charges tonnage, so going over GVWR may not be a problem.

The problem you will have is that you will be over the low 6000 lb rear axles rating. If you have the LT275/70R18E tires rated to 3640 each, then you will be OK on tires.

We tow a 16K GVWR Bighorn that has a dry pin weight of 2435. I end up with around 6650 or more on the rear axle of the 2015 3500 CC SB 4x4 RAM. That is with a Demco picture frame and B%W manual slider plus stuff in the bed boxes.

So you will only meet the manufactures GCWR, and will be over GVWR and RGAWR. Did you look at the door placard for the actual RGAWR, some say it is 6500 lbs?

My question is the normal one, why do people buy 250/2500 and then want to tow mid to larger 5th wheels?

Chris

He already owns the 2500. He's just looking at too heavy of 5th wheels.
Question is why do people look at too big of 5th wheels? Well in some cases they don't understand weights and are usually suckered in by the RV sales person.
Give the OP credit here. At least he came on this site to ask questions.

[Me_Again]

So it is a given that you will be over the truck low 10K GVWR. I do not believe Az charges tonnage, so going over GVWR may not be a problem.

The problem you will have is that you will be over the low 6000 lb rear axles rating. If you have the LT275/70R18E tires rated to 3640 each, then you will be OK on tires.

We tow a 16K GVWR Bighorn that has a dry pin weight of 2435. I end up with around 6650 or more on the rear axle of the 2015 3500 CC SB 4x4 RAM. That is with a Demco picture frame and B%W manual slider plus stuff in the bed boxes.

So you will only meet the manufactures GCWR, and will be over GVWR and RGAWR. Did you look at the door placard for the actual RGAWR, some say it is 6500 lbs?

My question is the normal one, why do people buy 250/2500 and then want to tow mid to larger 5th wheels?

Chris

[DanNJanice]

hickorytcharm wrote:
I would like help or explanation on the weights for towing.
GVWR 10000
PAYLOAD 2380
BASE WEIGHT TOTAL 7620
FRONT 4707 REAR 2913
GAWR FRONT 5750 REAR 6000
GCWR 25300
MAX. TRAILER WEIGHT RATING
17210
So we have a 2016 2500 short bed 4x4 Dodge Diesel
Looking at a 2015 Solitude @ 12650 pounds** based on average
Hitch weight 2600** based on average
GVWR 16,000

Are we within our limits?
Thanks

Probably not, even under the best of estimates. I see you have a listed GVWR of 16000lbs and another weight of 12650lbs, I would guess the lower number is dry weight. The 2600lbs also looks to be dry pin weight, you are already over your stated rated payload rating of 2380lbs. Once you load up, I would guess your pin weight will be around 3000lbs, unless you are very careful with loading and don't put anything in the front storage compartments.
Can you tow it? Sure. Will you be within your limits...no.

[CampingN_C_]

IdaD wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:

countrypastor wrote:
I just pulled my 41' Grand Design Fiver 367MBHS just over 500 miles a couple of weekends ago for Thanksgiving. I pulled it with my 2017 RAM 2500 4x4 Long Bed. No issues. I full time it, which makes these type of trips frequent and fun.

Ever bothered going across a scale and see what your weights are?

Don't be surprise that you are over your 6000# RAWR and over the GCVWR.

What are your truck tires rated for?

RAWR should be 6500 lbs on that truck, and the bags should easily be enough to take it to the 7000 lb rating on the 3500...only difference is the rear suspension, after all. Just sayin...

Beat me to it. CCLB will have a 6500 RAWR

[IdaD]

Old-Biscuit wrote:

countrypastor wrote:
I just pulled my 41' Grand Design Fiver 367MBHS just over 500 miles a couple of weekends ago for Thanksgiving. I pulled it with my 2017 RAM 2500 4x4 Long Bed. No issues. I full time it, which makes these type of trips frequent and fun.

Ever bothered going across a scale and see what your weights are?

Don't be surprise that you are over your 6000# RAWR and over the GCVWR.

What are your truck tires rated for?

RAWR should be 6500 lbs on that truck, and the bags should easily be enough to take it to the 7000 lb rating on the 3500...only difference is the rear suspension, after all. Just sayin...

[countrypastor]

Tires are good, I'm not running oversized off-road tires. I also am running Firestone RideRite Airbags for leveling.

I know, I know.. I don't need to be told to check a dozen sites or my door panel, etc. I've checked all those things. It tows. fine. Just was answering the question that started the post.

[Old-Biscuit]

countrypastor wrote:
I just pulled my 41' Grand Design Fiver 367MBHS just over 500 miles a couple of weekends ago for Thanksgiving. I pulled it with my 2017 RAM 2500 4x4 Long Bed. No issues. I full time it, which makes these type of trips frequent and fun.

Ever bothered going across a scale and see what your weights are?

Don't be surprise that you are over your 6000# RAWR and over the GCVWR.

What are your truck tires rated for?