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Forest Service caught Red Handed

Y-Guy
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This popped up on one of my Jeep groups, found it interesting and perhaps something that might be going on elsewhere.

Forest Service caught Red Handed in Pitkin, Colorado

The old historic mining town of Pitkin, Colorado is home to some amazing 4ร—4 roads such as the Tin Cup/ St. Elmo/Pitkin Loop, and Hancock Pass/Alpine Tunnel 4ร—4 road. It's also home to hardy group of citizens who won't let the Forest Service trample all over their rights.

Over the past few years the United States Forest Service has been attempting to close many roads around Pitkin, as well as all over Colorado.

The roads were not merely being closed, they were being obliterated. A local Vietnam vet said, โ€œIt looks like carpet bombing to me!โ€ The Forest Service was using a Deere 650 dozer to do the damage. The Forest Service had overstepped their bounds, the people of Pitkin knew it and they decided enough was enough. The formed a work party and set off on their own to restore the Powderhouse Gulch Road.

However, word leaked out to District Ranger John Murphy, who met the work party accompanied by USFS law enforcement personnel. Murphy tried to discourage the men from reopening the road, arguing that, โ€œthis is not the right way to go about it,โ€ that โ€œthere are proper channels to go through,โ€ and โ€œhoops that you need to jump through,โ€ and that โ€œit is not possible to reopen the road.โ€ But not even the threat of arrest would stop the men from reopening the road.

The men knew the Forest Service had overstepped their bounds, this was a county road. The District Ranger, John Murphy, was powerless to arrest the men and his threats were merely an attempt to prevent being caught with his hand in the cookie jar. When Murphy came to realize that he could not talk the men out of reopening the road, he did what he had just said was not possible. He guaranteed that he would reopen the road, and have it done in a week.

It was the best possible outcome. Not only were we the people of Pitkin not arrested, the road crews destroying the roads around Pitkin were pulled, and the Powderhouse Gulch Road was reconstructed. Had Murphy ordered the men arrested rather than ordering the road restored, federal prosecutors would not have been able to obtain a conviction, and instead the Forest Serviceโ€™s usurpation and destruction would have been spotlighted.

It took more than 40 hours to restore the road the dozer had previously ruined, but true to his word, John Murphy reopened the road.

Understanding the laws:
Although the Powderhouse Gulch road is a right-or-way through the National Forest, the road is not a National Forest System road. It is a county road, belonging to the People of Colorado.

The USFS is an unelected federal agency with limited jurisdiction. Although the USFS may have power to destroy its own โ€œNational Forest System roads,โ€ it has no power to close, let alone destroy, โ€œa road which has been authorized by a legally documented right-of-way held by a State, county, or other local public road authority,โ€ that is, a road protected under the principles of RS2477, an old mining statute securing established right-of-ways.

Had the group of men from Pitkin tried to reopen a closed USFS road, there would have likely been legal action taken against them. The key is to know the laws and be smart about protecting your rights.

Pitkin Colorado Vs The United States Forest Service

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ramgunner
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A few years back we had an interesting encounter with a BLM officer trainee and her trainer. We were out in a group of Jeeps and were stopped getting ready to head up a trail. They pulled up (she was driving) and she got out and asked to see our registrations.

I asked her to articulate her probable cause for the request. She just looked at me, and then said she just wanted to make sure they were in order. I asked her if she could see the license plates and month and year stickers. She said yes. I said "then you have everything you need right there."

Her trainer was behind her, nodding, and said "I told you". She gave some attitude that you could tell he wasn't impressed with. He told her she doesn't really want to antagonize folks like us. She wanted to know why.

I asked her if she could see all of the antennas on my Jeep. She said yes.

One of the radios I have is a scanner that I have checking various systems, talkgroups, and frequencies appropriate to where ever I am. I asked her if she knew where her nearest backup was. She wasn't sure. I told her that it was the Utah County deputy about 13 miles down the road. He was stationary and just being seen.

I then explained to her that many of us were CFP holders (I think the Five-seveN in the thigh holster at my side was a clue), and since the majority of folks out there are good guys, if her trainer were ever to get in trouble I know that at least I'd be willing to help if I heard him calling for assistance on the radio.

But with her attitude, I let her know that she would be on her own until that deputy arrived.

At that point you could see that it was the first time she had ever considered that situation. She basically shut up at that point.

Her trainer and I then spent some time talking. We had met before and he recognized me and knew a little about me.

He said that they were seeing a lot like her coming into BLM and into the forest service. There are some folks that believe that if you can't walk or horseback somewhere, that you shouldn't be there. One of things they are doing to push their agenda is to get into ranger and LE programs, and then "make things unpleasant" for those that Jeep or ATV into areas. If they can be in our faces constantly, they figure that eventually we will go away. That is happening, today, all over the place.

Then you have people like the one in this story that elected to just take action and hope it worked out. "Better to apologize than ask permission".

It's good be aware of what's up.
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Here are couple of videos:

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GWolfe
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Y-Guy wrote:


The old historic mining town of Pitkin, Colorado is home to some amazing 4ร—4 roads such as the Tin Cup/ St. Elmo/Pitkin Loop, and Hancock Pass/Alpine Tunnel 4ร—4 road. It's also home to hardy group of citizens who won't let the Forest Service trample all over their rights.


We rode this route last summer while camping at Taylor Park, Pitkin is a neat little town as is the ride up to the Alpine Tunnel. I'm glad they stood up to the Forest Service.
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Bedlam
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It's a timely post for me although this happened three years ago. We will be in Gunnison, CO within the next few weeks and may have to check out Pitkin.

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amandasgramma
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gbopp wrote:
The USFS destroyed a county road and the county government didn't get involved?
Conspiracy? ๐Ÿ™‚
If the county is anything like the one we formerly lived in, they won't do a darned thing...it's a COST to them to maintain the county road, therefore, not a priority and a willingness for the FS to close it down.
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gbopp
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The USFS destroyed a county road and the county government didn't get involved?
Conspiracy? ๐Ÿ™‚

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