We are looking the Keystone Montana Front Living Room model 3711FL. It has a DRY pin weight of 2790 lbs at 13200 and CC of 3200lbs. I know for pass scale weights I add under 1500 lbs of cargo. I have F350 diesel SRW with payload of 3744. If they pin weight percentage stays at or under 22 percent would give me a pin weight of 3234 which still gives me some margin. My question is that seems like a front living room would be lighter pin since there isn't much added weight in to the living room and also not much storage? Also, the basement in the front is the smallest I have seen on any 5er being less 30" wide so not much cargo there.Does anyone has any input? Upgrading the truck isn't a options since a Crew Cab won't fit in my garage.

Have you weighed the truck ready to camp, to know your rear axle weight. What are your max tire ratings? I am thinking your RAWR is 7,280. If you stay fairly close to your payload rating, and under your RAWR, you should be fine.The rear under bed storage, and rear wardroom, should keep pin wt at similar percentage.Jerry

I have a rushmore 15500 tow it with my 2500hd . not as much pin weight as my older sierra I had.

I would check further into that pin weight for this reason. I have also been looking at those. And looking at the Keystone/Montana new specs, it list the 3711FL pin weight at 2,790, but the 3710FL at only 2,530. As I understand it, the only difference is the 3711FL has the residential fridge where the 3710FL has the standard RV fridge. And further the weight difference between the two refrigerators is negligible. So why the extra 260#? The 3711FL has an inverter for the refrigerator and possibly an extra battery. But still ?????And to further cloud the issue, the 2015 specs for the 3711FL list the pin weight as 2,565, only 35# heavier than the 3710FL. Why is the 2016 3711FL listed 235# heavier than the 2015 3711FL? The 2016 3710FL is listed as the same pin weight as the 2015 3710FL. Why did the 3711FL gain weight when the 3710FL did not?Something just doesn't seem right about that 2,790 number. You may have more spare than it appears.

I noticed the same thing and the dealer explained that the residential refrigerator came with extra battery and the inventor and accounted for most the weight but he could explain why so much of it went toward pin weight.There are some other difference also. Tank sizes are different between the two models when you check the website. The dealer said that was error on the website but who knows. Also, on the one we are looking at the front cap has window and the TV goes up and down and the ones in most pictures show sold cap and no window.I will know next week since I bought it and we will hit the scales on the way home.This is the one with the front window and understand they are kinda rare... Front Window

Please post your scaled weights. I would be interested in knowing how the web site compares to real scaled numbers.

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mtofell1
Explorer
Feb 13, 2016
Michelle.S wrote:
Remember those brochure weights are for a Bare Bones empty RV. Our last 2 have had shipping weights 1 to 2 thousand over brochure weights before we put in a single paper plate. So the real world pin could go quite a few hundred above what's on paper.

I just had the opposite experience with a Keystone 5th wheel. The brochure weight was 9250 and my yellow sticker came in at 9040. I lay awake at night wondering what they left off :)
CWSWine
Explorer
Feb 12, 2016
Here are my cat scales weights of my 2016 Montana 3711FL with forward looking window.

Truck not hooked to 5er
Steer Axles 4740
Rear Axles 3480
GVWR 11500
Payload 3744
RAWR 7000

Cat Sales
Steering Axles 4880
Rear Axles 6460
Trailer Axles 10980
Total 22320

Stats
Camper Weights 14,100
Truck with 5er hitched 11340
Pin Weight 3120
Pin Percentage 22.1

5er Dry weights
Pin Dry 2790
Total Dry 13200

Loaded for a weekend trip. The front living room and front storage was loaded with every thing in it that we would take camping. The bedroom and the food pantry including the fridge are aft of the front axles so those shouldn't increase pin weights by adding weight.
mbrooks43
Explorer
Feb 12, 2016
WeBeFulltimers wrote:
mbrooks43 wrote:
phillyg wrote:
mbrooks43 wrote:
Here are some real numbers from my '16 Montana 3710FL............

I notice all your numbers end in even 100s. Is that because the scale rounded the weights to the nearest 100, and if so, is that typical of all truck scales?

I used portable truck scales which are not digital.

I'm pretty certain that CAT Scales round to nearest 20#. At least they did before I retired from trucking in 2010.

They were not CAT scales but the ones used when the weigh cop would weigh you on the side of the road.
WeBeFulltimers
Explorer
Feb 10, 2016
mbrooks43 wrote:
phillyg wrote:
mbrooks43 wrote:
Here are some real numbers from my '16 Montana 3710FL............

I notice all your numbers end in even 100s. Is that because the scale rounded the weights to the nearest 100, and if so, is that typical of all truck scales?

I used portable truck scales which are not digital.

I'm pretty certain that CAT Scales round to nearest 20#. At least they did before I retired from trucking in 2010.
mbrooks43
Explorer
Feb 10, 2016
phillyg wrote:
mbrooks43 wrote:
Here are some real numbers from my '16 Montana 3710FL............

I notice all your numbers end in even 100s. Is that because the scale rounded the weights to the nearest 100, and if so, is that typical of all truck scales?

I used portable truck scales which are not digital.
phillyg
Explorer II
Feb 10, 2016
mbrooks43 wrote:
Here are some real numbers from my '16 Montana 3710FL............

I notice all your numbers end in even 100s. Is that because the scale rounded the weights to the nearest 100, and if so, is that typical of all truck scales?
mbrooks43
Explorer
Feb 10, 2016
Here are some real numbers from my '16 Montana 3710FL. I weighted it out today.

Trailer axles - 11,000lbs
Truck rear axle loaded - 6,900lbs
Truck axle unloaded but with pin box - 3,300lbs
Total pin weight - 3,600lbs
Trailer weight - 14,600lbs

In my opinion, the trailer is not loaded for a trip. No food in cabinets or fridge. This is how my trailer sits, then we throw food into it for a trip, but it contains most of the other stuff we need. Tanks area also dry.
BB_TX
Nomad
Feb 06, 2016
CWSWine wrote:
PopsandBB wrote:
I am looking into the Keystone 3711 Fl. Can anyone that has one or has had one tell me the exact length (pin box to bumper) Covered stall is only 39'6" Thanks for the help

We haven't picked up ours from the dealer yet but Keystone Website says the length is 39"6'.

Note that the Keystone web site defines its lengths as center of king pin to rear most part of rear cap, which apparently does not include the ladder. By that, the length from the front edge of the pin box to the rear of the ladder will be quite a bit more.
CWSWine
Explorer
Feb 06, 2016
PopsandBB wrote:
Thanks CWSWine I should have said "enclosed stall not a covered stall. Just wanted to make sure the doors will close. Houston RV show 2-11-14-2016. Guess I'll take a 50 foot tape with me.

It's going to be close I would guess the one with the cap on back is shorter then the one with the bumper. Being that close of measurement I won't want little off and give bad information.
PopsandBB
Explorer
Feb 06, 2016
Thanks CWSWine I should have said "enclosed stall not a covered stall. Just wanted to make sure the doors will close. Houston RV show 2-11-14-2016. Guess I'll take a 50 foot tape with me.