help with weight

[wedge542]

I got all the numbers but cant figure it all out to get legal, i dont care what its capable of just need to be legal going across scales, this is not a rv but is a gooseneck type 5th wheel flatbed weighs 5600lbs on cat scales truck was 7260 half tank tool box me hooked together 12900 total steer was 4020 drive was 4320 trailer axel was 4560. Trailer is a tri axel with 6000 axels. This is a 2005 f250 crew cab 4x2 6.0 auto single wheel drv with 3150lb tires. Ford shows a 9600lb door sticker gvwr-4850 front/6100 rear and a 23000lb gcwr and a 17000lb max 5th wheel weight, Im trying to figure how much cargo i can legaly put on the trailer that will not over the pin and how much the scales should show when loaded legal, ill be crossing dot scales every state, prob pulled over alot to get scaled. Iknow everybody has there way of figuring but im looking for actual legal dot/fmcsa limits, please keep it simple in laymens terms, i just need to know what i can put on trailer and pin area. thank you

[mbrule]

wedge542 wrote:
thanks, not sure where you get 6000 on yours at, no ford pickup made has that, you might want to look at your sticker again, if it has not been replaced by someone to fool the dot and no options made will make you legal, just might look better or make you feel better but nothing on the market will increase your LEGAL max period. And im not trying to register nothing to magicly become legal like those add on options you speak of. You need to move on to the next post and let people that know something talk here in legal matters not armchair chatter.

I feel the need to chime in, My 06 Ford pickup has a 6k front axle and a 7k rear axle according to the sticker. F350 Super Cab long bed 4WD.

[wedge542]

Thank you so much mr taylor, i was feeling sick about this entire ordeal untill now knowing im safe/legal and others will be safe around me, id not wont to jepordize anyone as id like to think other drivers would not jepordize my family,mr taylor do you know if our home state will require the insurance h document or fileing, my agent was asking? thanks

[TrooperTaylor]

wedge542 wrote:
OK, loaded same dually plus a acura- dually weighs 6860-acura weighs 3120 went to cat scales=steer 4160- drive 5220-trailer axels 13500-gross 22880 hows this looking my steers under the max 4850 drives under the max 6100 im under gvwr of 9600 and trailer max tow limit im under max of 16100, am i overlooking anything? this was a 9980 lb load on the trailer

Looks like you are under all the ratings. Should be good to go!!

[wedge542]

OK, loaded same dually plus a acura- dually weighs 6860-acura weighs 3120 went to cat scales=steer 4160- drive 5220-trailer axels 13500-gross 22880 hows this looking my steers under the max 4850 drives under the max 6100 im under gvwr of 9600 and trailer max tow limit im under max of 16100, am i overlooking anything? this was a 9980 lb load on the trailer

[wedge542]

your dead on at 58ft, im realy amazed by loading 6860 lbs onto the trailer it only added very little to my truck but it was at the rear of the trailer and over the tri axels on the trailer, i looked at that dually and the sticker on it gvwr 10000 lbs so its only 400 lbs over my 250 but that does make a diff. THANK YOU SIR btw just had to pay ins cash up front prog- lol you already know why dont you, new ven.

[TrooperTaylor]

wedge542 wrote:
MR TAYLOR, if this rolled across your scales would it be legal AND looking at those numbers how much would i have left to max it out, say i had that dually loaded and 3000 more in front of that?

Being over your ratings is not the same as being overweight.

Don't forget to tag the truck for the correct gross weight as well.

[TrooperTaylor]

wedge542 wrote:
MR TAYLOR, if this rolled across your scales would it be legal AND looking at those numbers how much would i have left to max it out, say i had that dually loaded and 3000 more in front of that?

I figure your total length to be somewhere around 58 feet. According to the chart that I have attached you would get 80,000# total weight and would be able to put 20,000# on the steer axle 20,000# on the pull axle and 42,000# on the trailer axles.

You can not exceed any of those weights on the interstate system.

You will never be overweight because there is no way that you could load your combo with that much weight and not have something fail.

So.... you don't have a weight issue that I can see.

If you added 3 thousand pounds more to the front of the trailer you may then run into a problem being over the trucks GVWR.

I say may because you will really not know until you load it that way and have it weighed.

http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/publications/brdg_frm_wghts/bridge_formula_all.pdf

[wedge542]

MR TAYLOR, if this rolled across your scales would it be legal AND looking at those numbers how much would i have left to max it out, say i had that dually loaded and 3000 more in front of that?

[wedge542]

yes, that way i dont have to be worried when i cross scales because im completly legal and no problems.

[TrooperTaylor]

wedge542 wrote:
got scaled this morn with a 91 f350 dw on the trailer and my slider 5th wheel all the way foward steer 4200/ drive 4360/ trailer axels 11200/ gross 19760- i cant see how this dually only weighs 6860lbs, its lighter than my f250 yet has a 10000 gvwr and 7100 gawr, thats 1000lbs more rear cap than my f250, i had the dually at rear across the tri axels, the slider did help throw some weight to the steer more than just sit on the rear axel, added 180 to steer and 40 to the rear axel.

Main thing is that you are under all of the truck and trailer ratings.

This is what you were hoping to achieve. Correct?

[wedge542]

bpounds wrote:

wedge542 wrote:
...added 180 to steer and 40 to the rear axel.

Your numbers are screwed up. It is impossible to put more weight on the FA than the RA, unless the pin is closer to the FA than the RA, which obviously it isn't.

So little pin weight isn't safe either, but you probably don't care.

the 5th wheel is slid foward all the way so it put more on the fa than the rear axel, thats what they supposed to do when setup right just like a big truck when they slide one notch it can throw between 250 and 300 lbs on the front axel, hence the reason i got a slider, now im takeing off the tailgate/spare moved to under rear trailer/ chains binders moved to box at trailer rear/might take out pas seat/bed tool box and all gear to trailer rear/. When i loaded that dually onto the trailer i had it at the very rear with 14 ft left in front so i can put something lighter there or coulda moved it foward if need be to get my pin some weight back on it.

[bpounds]

wedge542 wrote:
...added 180 to steer and 40 to the rear axel.

Your numbers are screwed up. It is impossible to put more weight on the FA than the RA, unless the pin is closer to the FA than the RA, which obviously it isn't.

So little pin weight isn't safe either, but you probably don't care.

[wedge542]

got scaled this morn with a 91 f350 dw on the trailer and my slider 5th wheel all the way foward steer 4200/ drive 4360/ trailer axels 11200/ gross 19760- i cant see how this dually only weighs 6860lbs, its lighter than my f250 yet has a 10000 gvwr and 7100 gawr, thats 1000lbs more rear cap than my f250, i had the dually at rear across the tri axels, the slider did help throw some weight to the steer more than just sit on the rear axel, added 180 to steer and 40 to the rear axel.

[Campinfan]

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