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jdjimenez
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Jan 23, 2014

Hitch weight may have finally become clear!!!

I went to Giant RV today to look at some 5th wheels and to try and get a clear idea of what my correct hitch weight capacity may be.

The manager goes to my truck door and says this is easy:

Add Rear GAWR of 6084
To Front GAWR of 4250 for a total of 10,334 then
Subtract GVWR of 8800 for a hitch weight capacity of 1,534.

Say what, I just lost about 300 lbs.?

Here's what I've been able to figure out:
The 8800 lb GVWR is a package because the truck came with a Trailer Towing Package. Unladen G/CGW is 6006 on the registartion so I have 2,794 lbs. to work with. I know that 6006 doesn't include fuel, passengers, etc. but still I think things are going to work.

I can't pack the truck and weight it now because I have a shoeing pack and pullout anchored in the bed currently so that's not possible. I think looking for a trailer with a hitch weight of 1800-1900 max is going to be doable and I'll be doing everything possible to beef up the back end.

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  • SailingOn's avatar
    SailingOn
    Explorer
    Jan 24, 2014
    "Unladen G/CGW is 6006 on the registration"
    .
    You surely cannot trust that. My trailer registration says it weighs 1800#, wrong by several tons.
  • rhagfo's avatar
    rhagfo
    Explorer III
    Jan 24, 2014
    dballentine wrote:
    jdjimenez wrote:
    No wonder I can't find it, lol.:)


    Inside the glove box door?

    You've probably already checked the other door jambs, not just the driver's.


    Not on an 01 truck!
  • dballentine's avatar
    dballentine
    Explorer
    Jan 24, 2014
    jdjimenez wrote:
    No wonder I can't find it, lol.:)


    Inside the glove box door?

    You've probably already checked the other door jambs, not just the driver's.
  • Cummins12V98's avatar
    Cummins12V98
    Explorer III
    Jan 24, 2014
    Weigh your truck with fuel passengers and hitch just like you are ready to hook up your 5er. Take the weight of the rear axle. Now look at the tire rating at max tire pressure, probably 80psi. Now take that number x2. Subtract rear axle weight from tire capacity and you have your answer as to what your max weight that can be added to the hitch. Very little of that weight foes to the front axle. Tires are the weak link usually.

    Take the GCWR of the rv, 25% of that number is your Max pin weight.
  • jdjimenez's avatar
    jdjimenez
    Explorer
    Jan 24, 2014
    spud1957 wrote:
    jdjimenez wrote:
    Michelle.S wrote:
    How about on the edge of the Drivers door. Sometimes one sticker on the door pillar and the other on the edge of the drivers door.


    Nothing, I've had several people insist that I'm just missing the sticker with that info but when I show them my door they're surprised that information is not there.


    The tire and load capacity sticker was not required in 2001. I'm thinking around 2006/07.


    No wonder I can't find it, lol.:)
  • jdjimenez's avatar
    jdjimenez
    Explorer
    Jan 24, 2014
    Old-Biscuit wrote:
    This is from your post back in Oct.

    GVWR - 8800 lbs.
    Front GAWR - 4250 lbs.
    Rear GAWR - 6084 lbs.

    The registration says the unladen weight is - 6006 lbs.

    That 8800# is the MAX your truck is rated to weigh (you, fuel, passengers, stuff in cab, stuff in bed)

    The axle ratings are what each axle is rated for but you can NOT add them together. That combined number does not exist as the truck is rated as a whole not the sum of the parts. That is the 8800# number (the whole).

    Your payload is the 'whole' minus 'actual' weight of truck (with it loaded ready to camp...you, fuel, passengers, stuff etc.)

    You have an unladen weight of 6006# so that is a starting point for 'guesstimates' until you actually weigh.
    6006# plus 1000# (you,fuel, passengers, stuff and hitch) equals 7006#
    GVWR 8800# minus 7006# equals 1794# (call it 1800#)
    1800# payload equals a 5th wheel trailer with a GVWR of 9000# (1800#---20% pin weight)

    Your 2001 F250 only has a cargo (payload) max rating of 2319# (4X2 Reg. Cab), max rating of 1660# (4X2 Super Cab) and only 1206# (4X2 Crew Cab)

    So you see....your truck may have a MAX tow rating of 13,400# but you are running out of rated cargo/payload with a 9000# 5vr.

    Sorry but you just don't have a truck that in reality can tow much of a 5vr. regardless of published mfg. numbers.


    As for your tires.......just look on the sidewall of your rear tires for the Max Load Rating AT MAX PSI.
    With a rear axle rating of 6084# they are probably rated at 3200# each (MAX Load AT MAX PSI)


    Old Biscuit,
    After all this time I realize that this is indeed the correct calculation. I've had this explained to me so many different ways that my head was spinning and so many people were just wrong.

    An Open Range Light was suggest here in another post and we will be looking at them at the Pomona show and a decision will be made then. At least I know the decision will be correct.

    Thank you for your help, you were right.
  • spud1957's avatar
    spud1957
    Explorer
    Jan 24, 2014
    jdjimenez wrote:
    Michelle.S wrote:
    How about on the edge of the Drivers door. Sometimes one sticker on the door pillar and the other on the edge of the drivers door.


    Nothing, I've had several people insist that I'm just missing the sticker with that info but when I show them my door they're surprised that information is not there.


    The tire and load capacity sticker was not required in 2001. I'm thinking around 2006/07.
  • Old-Biscuit's avatar
    Old-Biscuit
    Explorer III
    Jan 24, 2014
    This is from your post back in Oct.

    GVWR - 8800 lbs.
    Front GAWR - 4250 lbs.
    Rear GAWR - 6084 lbs.

    The registration says the unladen weight is - 6006 lbs.

    That 8800# is the MAX your truck is rated to weigh (you, fuel, passengers, stuff in cab, stuff in bed)

    The axle ratings are what each axle is rated for but you can NOT add them together. That combined number does not exist as the truck is rated as a whole not the sum of the parts. That is the 8800# number (the whole).

    Your payload is the 'whole' minus 'actual' weight of truck (with it loaded ready to camp...you, fuel, passengers, stuff etc.)

    You have an unladen weight of 6006# so that is a starting point for 'guesstimates' until you actually weigh.
    6006# plus 1000# (you,fuel, passengers, stuff and hitch) equals 7006#
    GVWR 8800# minus 7006# equals 1794# (call it 1800#)
    1800# payload equals a 5th wheel trailer with a GVWR of 9000# (1800#---20% pin weight)

    Your 2001 F250 only has a cargo (payload) max rating of 2319# (4X2 Reg. Cab), max rating of 1660# (4X2 Super Cab) and only 1206# (4X2 Crew Cab)

    So you see....your truck may have a MAX tow rating of 13,400# but you are running out of rated cargo/payload with a 9000# 5vr.

    Sorry but you just don't have a truck that in reality can tow much of a 5vr. regardless of published mfg. numbers.


    As for your tires.......just look on the sidewall of your rear tires for the Max Load Rating AT MAX PSI.
    With a rear axle rating of 6084# they are probably rated at 3200# each (MAX Load AT MAX PSI)
  • Atom_Ant's avatar
    Atom_Ant
    Explorer
    Jan 24, 2014
    All you can do is weigh your truck at a scale (CAT scale) and subtract that weight from the sticker GVWR. Whatever is left is payload. If the fuel was empty, then fuel would be part of the calculated payload, as well as passengers, etc.

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The manager goes to my truck door and says this is easy:

Add Rear GAWR of 6084
To Front GAWR of 4250 for a total of 10,334 then
Subtract GVWR of 8800 for a hitch weight capacity of 1,534.

Say what, I just lost about 300 lbs.?

Here's what I've been able to figure out:
The 8800 lb GVWR is a package because the truck came with a Trailer Towing Package. Unladen G/CGW is 6006 on the registartion so I have 2,794 lbs. to work with. I know that 6006 doesn't include fuel, passengers, etc. but still I think things are going to work.

I can't pack the truck and weight it now because I have a shoeing pack and pullout anchored in the bed currently so that's not possible. I think looking for a trailer with a hitch weight of 1800-1900 max is going to be doable and I'll be doing everything possible to beef up the back end.","body@stringLength":"1023","rawBody":"I went to Giant RV today to look at some 5th wheels and to try and get a clear idea of what my correct hitch weight capacity may be.

The manager goes to my truck door and says this is easy:

Add Rear GAWR of 6084
To Front GAWR of 4250 for a total of 10,334 then
Subtract GVWR of 8800 for a hitch weight capacity of 1,534.

Say what, I just lost about 300 lbs.?

Here's what I've been able to figure out:
The 8800 lb GVWR is a package because the truck came with a Trailer Towing Package. Unladen G/CGW is 6006 on the registartion so I have 2,794 lbs. to work with. I know that 6006 doesn't include fuel, passengers, etc. but still I think things are going to work.

I can't pack the truck and weight it now because I have a shoeing pack and pullout anchored in the bed currently so that's not possible. 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Hitch weight may have finally become clear!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:966617"},"body":"\"Unladen G/CGW is 6006 on the registration\"
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You surely cannot trust that. My trailer registration says it weighs 1800#, wrong by several tons.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"146","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-24T14:05:47.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-24T14:05:47.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":429},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:966599/message:966617","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:40":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:40","position":31,"name":"Explorer III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:2086":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:2086","uid":2086,"login":"rhagfo","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-07-06T09:49:57.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:2086"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:966616":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:966616","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:966616":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2086"},"id":"message:966616","revisionNum":1,"uid":966616,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:966599"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:966599"},"subject":"Re: Hitch weight may have finally become clear!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:966616"},"body":"
dballentine wrote:
jdjimenez wrote:
No wonder I can't find it, lol.:)


Inside the glove box door?

You've probably already checked the other door jambs, not just the driver's.


Not on an 01 truck!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-24T12:05:44.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-24T12:05:44.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":428},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:966599/message:966616","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:8366":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:8366","uid":8366,"login":"dballentine","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-07-10T08:33:14.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:8366"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:966615":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:966615","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:966615":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:8366"},"id":"message:966615","revisionNum":1,"uid":966615,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:966599"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:966599"},"subject":"Re: Hitch weight may have finally become clear!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:966615"},"body":"
jdjimenez wrote:
No wonder I can't find it, lol.:)


Inside the glove box door?

You've probably already checked the other door jambs, not just the driver's.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"164","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-24T09:08:09.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-24T09:08:09.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":429},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:966599/message:966615","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:321363":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:321363","uid":321363,"login":"Cummins12V98","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-06-03T15:01:10.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:321363"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:966614":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:966614","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:966614":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:321363"},"id":"message:966614","revisionNum":1,"uid":966614,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:966599"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:966599"},"subject":"Re: Hitch weight may have finally become clear!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:966614"},"body":"Weigh your truck with fuel passengers and hitch just like you are ready to hook up your 5er. Take the weight of the rear axle. Now look at the tire rating at max tire pressure, probably 80psi. Now take that number x2. Subtract rear axle weight from tire capacity and you have your answer as to what your max weight that can be added to the hitch. Very little of that weight foes to the front axle. Tires are the weak link usually.

Take the GCWR of the rv, 25% of that number is your Max pin weight.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-24T07:33:52.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-24T07:33:52.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":428},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:966599/message:966614","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:966613":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:966613","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:966613":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:113617"},"id":"message:966613","revisionNum":1,"uid":966613,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:966599"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:966599"},"subject":"Re: Hitch weight may have finally become clear!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:966613"},"body":"
spud1957 wrote:
jdjimenez wrote:
Michelle.S wrote:
How about on the edge of the Drivers door. Sometimes one sticker on the door pillar and the other on the edge of the drivers door.


Nothing, I've had several people insist that I'm just missing the sticker with that info but when I show them my door they're surprised that information is not there.


The tire and load capacity sticker was not required in 2001. I'm thinking around 2006/07.


No wonder I can't find it, lol.:)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-24T05:06:16.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-24T05:06:16.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":428},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:966599/message:966613","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:966612":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:966612","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:966612":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:113617"},"id":"message:966612","revisionNum":1,"uid":966612,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:966599"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:966599"},"subject":"Re: Hitch weight may have finally become clear!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:966612"},"body":"
Old-Biscuit wrote:
This is from your post back in Oct.

GVWR - 8800 lbs.
Front GAWR - 4250 lbs.
Rear GAWR - 6084 lbs.

The registration says the unladen weight is - 6006 lbs.

That 8800# is the MAX your truck is rated to weigh (you, fuel, passengers, stuff in cab, stuff in bed)

The axle ratings are what each axle is rated for but you can NOT add them together. That combined number does not exist as the truck is rated as a whole not the sum of the parts. That is the 8800# number (the whole).

Your payload is the 'whole' minus 'actual' weight of truck (with it loaded ready to camp...you, fuel, passengers, stuff etc.)

You have an unladen weight of 6006# so that is a starting point for 'guesstimates' until you actually weigh.
6006# plus 1000# (you,fuel, passengers, stuff and hitch) equals 7006#
GVWR 8800# minus 7006# equals 1794# (call it 1800#)
1800# payload equals a 5th wheel trailer with a GVWR of 9000# (1800#---20% pin weight)

Your 2001 F250 only has a cargo (payload) max rating of 2319# (4X2 Reg. Cab), max rating of 1660# (4X2 Super Cab) and only 1206# (4X2 Crew Cab)

So you see....your truck may have a MAX tow rating of 13,400# but you are running out of rated cargo/payload with a 9000# 5vr.

Sorry but you just don't have a truck that in reality can tow much of a 5vr. regardless of published mfg. numbers.


As for your tires.......just look on the sidewall of your rear tires for the Max Load Rating AT MAX PSI.
With a rear axle rating of 6084# they are probably rated at 3200# each (MAX Load AT MAX PSI)


Old Biscuit,
After all this time I realize that this is indeed the correct calculation. I've had this explained to me so many different ways that my head was spinning and so many people were just wrong.

An Open Range Light was suggest here in another post and we will be looking at them at the Pomona show and a decision will be made then. At least I know the decision will be correct.

Thank you for your help, you were right.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-24T05:05:19.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-24T05:05:19.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":429},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:966599/message:966612","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:40843":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:40843","uid":40843,"login":"wandering1","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2002-06-18T15:39:47.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:40843"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:966611":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:966611","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:966611":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:40843"},"id":"message:966611","revisionNum":1,"uid":966611,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:966599"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:966599"},"subject":"Re: Hitch weight may have finally become clear!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:966611"},"body":"LOL!! Be careful with clear.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"28","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-24T04:37:57.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-24T04:37:57.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":428},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:966599/message:966611","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:2017":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:2017","uid":2017,"login":"spud1957","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2014-01-08T03:56:13.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:2017"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:966610":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:966610","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:966610":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2017"},"id":"message:966610","revisionNum":1,"uid":966610,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:966599"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:966599"},"subject":"Re: Hitch weight may have finally become clear!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:966610"},"body":"
jdjimenez wrote:
Michelle.S wrote:
How about on the edge of the Drivers door. Sometimes one sticker on the door pillar and the other on the edge of the drivers door.


Nothing, I've had several people insist that I'm just missing the sticker with that info but when I show them my door they're surprised that information is not there.


The tire and load capacity sticker was not required in 2001. I'm thinking around 2006/07.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-24T02:54:56.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-24T02:54:56.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":428},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:966599/message:966610","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:11932":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:11932","uid":11932,"login":"Old-Biscuit","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-06-20T20:19:16.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:11932"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:966609":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:966609","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:966609":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:11932"},"id":"message:966609","revisionNum":1,"uid":966609,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:966599"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:966599"},"subject":"Re: Hitch weight may have finally become clear!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:966609"},"body":"This is from your post back in Oct.

GVWR - 8800 lbs.
Front GAWR - 4250 lbs.
Rear GAWR - 6084 lbs.

The registration says the unladen weight is - 6006 lbs.

That 8800# is the MAX your truck is rated to weigh (you, fuel, passengers, stuff in cab, stuff in bed)

The axle ratings are what each axle is rated for but you can NOT add them together. That combined number does not exist as the truck is rated as a whole not the sum of the parts. That is the 8800# number (the whole).

Your payload is the 'whole' minus 'actual' weight of truck (with it loaded ready to camp...you, fuel, passengers, stuff etc.)

You have an unladen weight of 6006# so that is a starting point for 'guesstimates' until you actually weigh.
6006# plus 1000# (you,fuel, passengers, stuff and hitch) equals 7006#
GVWR 8800# minus 7006# equals 1794# (call it 1800#)
1800# payload equals a 5th wheel trailer with a GVWR of 9000# (1800#---20% pin weight)

Your 2001 F250 only has a cargo (payload) max rating of 2319# (4X2 Reg. Cab), max rating of 1660# (4X2 Super Cab) and only 1206# (4X2 Crew Cab)

So you see....your truck may have a MAX tow rating of 13,400# but you are running out of rated cargo/payload with a 9000# 5vr.

Sorry but you just don't have a truck that in reality can tow much of a 5vr. regardless of published mfg. numbers.


As for your tires.......just look on the sidewall of your rear tires for the Max Load Rating AT MAX PSI.
With a rear axle rating of 6084# they are probably rated at 3200# each (MAX Load AT MAX PSI)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-23T20:22:41.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-23T20:22:41.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":428},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:966599/message:966609","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:347609":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:347609","uid":347609,"login":"Atom_Ant","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2013-02-23T06:45:34.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:347609"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:966608":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:966608","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:966608":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:347609"},"id":"message:966608","revisionNum":1,"uid":966608,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:966599"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:966599"},"subject":"Re: Hitch weight may have finally become clear!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:966608"},"body":"All you can do is weigh your truck at a scale (CAT scale) and subtract that weight from the sticker GVWR. 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