Jan-13-2016 07:44 AM
Jan-14-2016 02:47 AM
Bobandshawn wrote:
Funny thing is, I see a lot of guys pulling those big 3 axle toy haulers to Pismo and such loaded to the gills with toys, kids, dogs, firewood etc with 3/4 ton trucks all the time out here.
Jan-14-2016 02:44 AM
Mile High wrote:SanMarMor wrote:
I think 25% calculation for pin weight is on the high end, unless you're in a bigger trailer. Ours is 36' with a gross weight of 13xxx pounds. When I weighed it lightly loaded, it weighed 111xx pound, and the pin weighed 20% actual weight.
Mark
I think I would agree - Ours is 25% but only when fully loaded with gear and 110 gals of water that sits under the front basement. We are 17,222 total 5er weight and with water and pin is 4,320 lbs. comes out about perfect to 25% but this model is way nose heavy by floorplan. Other floorplans aren't nearly that nose heavy in ours.
Jan-14-2016 02:40 AM
dapperdan wrote:Bobandshawn wrote:agesilaus wrote:
With fifth wheels the critical truck stat is carry capacity not tow weight. Use 25% of the max weight of the fver as a rough estimate of the pin weight of the fver. For example on a 10,000# max weight fver, use 2500# as the pin weight estimate.
Then then subtract from the trucks carry weight: pin weight + 200# hitch weight + weight of the passengers + any thing else carried in the truck. If you come up with a negative number then you have a problem. This is a big problem with most 3/4 ton trucks.
Agree with this as well. I have a 4X4 2500 Mega Cab with the 6.4 gas Hemi and 4.10 gears. The payload on this is 2,903 lbs and towing capacity is 15,250. This is a higher load rating than the heavier Cummins diesel version of the same truck. The diesel model has a payload rating of 1,995 lbs, almost a grand less, and the tow rating is 50 lbs less at 15,200. The Ram 3/4 tons with a diesel are only available with a 3.42 axle gear now. The diesel has less payload due to the added weight of the engine. So even if they had a 3.73 or 4.10 gear ratio on those the payload would remain the same.
So from your calculations I need to stay with a pin weight of about 1500 lbs or so. Now much trailer!!I got such a deal on this truck I may trade up for a CTD Mega Cab dually. LOL
Yeah you might. lol It's too bad you got such a good "deal" on your truck, now you're pretty limited to what you'll be able to pull. Kinda of hard to look into the future when buying a truck sometimes.
We started out with (buying) a one ton dually then looking at trailers so we could avoid the very situation you're facing now. You can't have too much truck IMHO. :B
Dan
Jan-14-2016 02:37 AM
Bobandshawn wrote:agesilaus wrote:
With fifth wheels the critical truck stat is carry capacity not tow weight. Use 25% of the max weight of the fver as a rough estimate of the pin weight of the fver. For example on a 10,000# max weight fver, use 2500# as the pin weight estimate.
Then then subtract from the trucks carry weight: pin weight + 200# hitch weight + weight of the passengers + any thing else carried in the truck. If you come up with a negative number then you have a problem. This is a big problem with most 3/4 ton trucks.
Agree with this as well. I have a 4X4 2500 Mega Cab with the 6.4 gas Hemi and 4.10 gears. The payload on this is 2,903 lbs and towing capacity is 15,250. This is a higher load rating than the heavier Cummins diesel version of the same truck. The diesel model has a payload rating of 1,995 lbs, almost a grand less, and the tow rating is 50 lbs less at 15,200. The Ram 3/4 tons with a diesel are only available with a 3.42 axle gear now. The diesel has less payload due to the added weight of the engine. So even if they had a 3.73 or 4.10 gear ratio on those the payload would remain the same.
So from your calculations I need to stay with a pin weight of about 1500 lbs or so. Now much trailer!!I got such a deal on this truck I may trade up for a CTD Mega Cab dually. LOL
Jan-13-2016 07:31 PM
Jan-13-2016 04:03 PM
SanMarMor wrote:
I think 25% calculation for pin weight is on the high end, unless you're in a bigger trailer. Ours is 36' with a gross weight of 13xxx pounds. When I weighed it lightly loaded, it weighed 111xx pound, and the pin weighed 20% actual weight.
Mark
Jan-13-2016 03:44 PM
Jan-13-2016 03:14 PM
dapperdan wrote:
Yeah you might. lol It's too bad you got such a good "deal" on your truck, now you're pretty limited to what you'll be able to pull. Kinda of hard to look into the future when buying a truck sometimes.
We started out with (buying) a one ton dually then looking at trailers so we could avoid the very situation you're facing now. You can't have too much truck IMHO. :B
Dan
Jan-13-2016 02:17 PM
Bobandshawn wrote:agesilaus wrote:
With fifth wheels the critical truck stat is carry capacity not tow weight. Use 25% of the max weight of the fver as a rough estimate of the pin weight of the fver. For example on a 10,000# max weight fver, use 2500# as the pin weight estimate.
Then then subtract from the trucks carry weight: pin weight + 200# hitch weight + weight of the passengers + any thing else carried in the truck. If you come up with a negative number then you have a problem. This is a big problem with most 3/4 ton trucks.
Agree with this as well. I have a 4X4 2500 Mega Cab with the 6.4 gas Hemi and 4.10 gears. The payload on this is 2,903 lbs and towing capacity is 15,250. This is a higher load rating than the heavier Cummins diesel version of the same truck. The diesel model has a payload rating of 1,995 lbs, almost a grand less, and the tow rating is 50 lbs less at 15,200. The Ram 3/4 tons with a diesel are only available with a 3.42 axle gear now. The diesel has less payload due to the added weight of the engine. So even if they had a 3.73 or 4.10 gear ratio on those the payload would remain the same.
So from your calculations I need to stay with a pin weight of about 1500 lbs or so. Now much trailer!!I got such a deal on this truck I may trade up for a CTD Mega Cab dually. LOL
Jan-13-2016 02:11 PM
Bobandshawn wrote:laknox wrote:
I think so, too, but would like to actually =see= one. Even better if I didn't have to make a 2,000 mile round trip just to see the model I'm interested in. 😞
Lyle
Ditto, the closest place for me is about 80 miles away. We have a huge Camping World dealer here. They mainly sell Keystones. I have looked at the Cougar and like them. They also have the Jayco's, but not the models I am looking for. The problem I am having with many of these 10K weight trailers is, most have the bed built on a platform. I am 6'6" and have an issue with the limited headroom in the sleeping chamber.
Jan-13-2016 02:08 PM
laknox wrote:
I think so, too, but would like to actually =see= one. Even better if I didn't have to make a 2,000 mile round trip just to see the model I'm interested in. 😞
Lyle
Jan-13-2016 12:27 PM
alexleblanc wrote:Bobandshawn wrote:laknox wrote:
In looking at new FW's, my top 2 choices are KZ Durango 1500 and Jayco Eagle HT. The Durango 1500s all have a 10,500 GVW and the Eagle HTs are all 9,950 GVW (but also have the capability from the factory to tow a 3k trailer, so combined GCWR is 12,950). Personally, I'm leaning towards a Jayco, mostly because of local dealer support. The KZ has a few features that would fit me a bit better, but not enough to have to deal with the ONE dealer available in the entire state of AZ.
Lyle
LOL!!! Those are two of our top picks as well. I am leaning towards the Durango 1500, but no local dealer support. I am not sure what it takes in California to tow and trailer behind a trailer, but there are a couple campgrounds I'd love to take my 14" aluminum boat along.
I can gladly state and the 1500 series Durango from KZ is a great size of 5er for 250/2500 trucks.
Jan-13-2016 10:59 AM
Bobandshawn wrote:laknox wrote:
In looking at new FW's, my top 2 choices are KZ Durango 1500 and Jayco Eagle HT. The Durango 1500s all have a 10,500 GVW and the Eagle HTs are all 9,950 GVW (but also have the capability from the factory to tow a 3k trailer, so combined GCWR is 12,950). Personally, I'm leaning towards a Jayco, mostly because of local dealer support. The KZ has a few features that would fit me a bit better, but not enough to have to deal with the ONE dealer available in the entire state of AZ.
Lyle
LOL!!! Those are two of our top picks as well. I am leaning towards the Durango 1500, but no local dealer support. I am not sure what it takes in California to tow and trailer behind a trailer, but there are a couple campgrounds I'd love to take my 14" aluminum boat along.
Jan-13-2016 10:46 AM
Jan-13-2016 09:43 AM
Bobandshawn wrote:laknox wrote:
In looking at new FW's, my top 2 choices are KZ Durango 1500 and Jayco Eagle HT. The Durango 1500s all have a 10,500 GVW and the Eagle HTs are all 9,950 GVW (but also have the capability from the factory to tow a 3k trailer, so combined GCWR is 12,950). Personally, I'm leaning towards a Jayco, mostly because of local dealer support. The KZ has a few features that would fit me a bit better, but not enough to have to deal with the ONE dealer available in the entire state of AZ.
Lyle
LOL!!! Those are two of our top picks as well. I am leaning towards the Durango 1500, but no local dealer support. I am not sure what it takes in California to tow and trailer behind a trailer, but there are a couple campgrounds I'd love to take my 14" aluminum boat along.