Question

[Racine96]

As I am looking for a 2500 new, I found that the payload of both Chevys and Rams is lower when they have a diesel engine than gas engine. Why is this? How does that affect the available payload for a 5er hitch?

In the Chevy for diesel payload is 3037# and for gas is 3347#, according to chevy.com.

Something similar happens with the Rams, look at this link

http://www.ramtrucks.com/assets/towing_guide/pdf/2014_RAM.2500.Towing.Specs.pdf

[MFL]

Water-Bug wrote:

MFL wrote:
I always go by, if you truly need the diesel to pull it, then you need the 3500 to carry the weight.

Jerry

It' more about where you pull than it is about what you pull. If you tow somewhere that is flat as aboard like Florida, a gasser will do just fine. If you tow somewhere hilly like West Virginia, that gasser will be downshifting and screaming every time you see a hill.

The OP is talking about new TVs. A new gas TV does not need to scream, to pull a hill, if towing within ratings. I can pull 7% quite easily with my TV and FW.

Not judging anyone, but curious if your sig. TV is under ALL ratings, towing the Montana in your sig? With the diesel engine, a 3500 would allow more payload, and stay under GVWR.

Happy camping,
Jerry

[Water-Bug]

MFL wrote:
I always go by, if you truly need the diesel to pull it, then you need the 3500 to carry the weight.

Jerry

It' more about where you pull than it is about what you pull. If you tow somewhere that is flat as aboard like Florida, a gasser will do just fine. If you tow somewhere hilly like West Virginia, that gasser will be downshifting and screaming every time you see a hill.

[IllinoisCheeseh]

goducks10 wrote:
Apparently you're in the minority since twice as many 3/4 tons are sold each year as 1-tons.

Right...and 4X as many F-150's are sold over F-250 and F-350's combined each year. So I guess by your logic, I should have bought a 1/2 ton to tow a 16,000 pound fifth wheel.

[IllinoisCheeseh]

Racine96 wrote:
If youtell me where to find a 3500 for $1000 more than a 2500, I would like to see it. Where I live is more aroun $6000. So there is a difference, specially when moving from a gasser to a diesel there ia an additional $8000. I do not have all the money in the world..

Yes, if you're comparing a gasser to a diesel. But if you compare a 2500 diesel to 3500 diesel, you are within about $1000 to $1500 from one to other when equipped the same. (The same pretty much holds true for gassers, too.) Go to Ram's site, Edmunds, or any other comparison site. Configure a 2500, then configure a 3500 the same way. Within $1000 to $1500 of each other if you're comparing apples to apples.

2014 Ram 3500 SLT CCLB 4X4 DRW 6.7 CTD - $50,695 MSRP, Max payload 5752 lbs, Max towing 18,600 lbs.

2014 Ram 2500 SLT CCLB 4X4 SRW 6.7 CTD - $49,850 MSRP, Max payload 2149 lbs, max towing 16,950 lbs.

A difference of $845, and about 3600 lbs more of payload capacity.

[goducks10]

IllinoisCheesehead wrote:
I have a hard time understanding why anyone would pick a 2500 over a 3500 if they're looking to tow a fiver. The SRW/DRW debate I can see, but for the <$1000 incremental cost of the 3500, you gain about 3600 more pounds in payload (in the Cummins diesel Ram line at least.) Either of those is going to be able pull the weight, but you'll run out of payload a lot sooner in a 2500 which will ultimately limit the pin weight and the size of the fiver.

Apparently you're in the minority since twice as many 3/4 tons are sold each year as 1-tons.

[Racine96]

If youtell me where to find a 3500 for $1000 more than a 2500, I would like to see it. Where I live is more aroun $6000. So there is a difference, specially when moving from a gasser to a diesel there ia an additional $8000. I do not have all the money in the world..

[IllinoisCheeseh]

I have a hard time understanding why anyone would pick a 2500 over a 3500 if they're looking to tow a fiver. The SRW/DRW debate I can see, but for the <$1000 incremental cost of the 3500, you gain about 3600 more pounds in payload (in the Cummins diesel Ram line at least.) Either of those is going to be able pull the weight, but you'll run out of payload a lot sooner in a 2500 which will ultimately limit the pin weight and the size of the fiver.

[Racine96]

As I was looking at a RAM 2500 diesel, according to manufacturer it has only 2,380 or less on payload cap. It does not sound like a lot. Would this be enough to handle 5er?


http://www.ramtrucks.com/assets/towing_guide/pdf/2014_RAM.2500.Towing.Specs.pdf

[Allworth]

The diesel more than makes up for the loss of payload. Go with a 3500.

[john_bet]

MFL wrote:
I always go by, if you truly need the diesel to pull it, then you need the 3500 to carry the weight.

Jerry

Disagree

[hmar1]

I pull a 2014 Montana 3900FB with a 2014 Ram 3500 dully and you can't even tell you are pulling it, the diesel makes all the difference

[jesse_m_jm]

While a Diesel can pull more, usually it is the axle, tire, and wheel ratings that restrict max payload. Thats why the power addition of the diesel does not offset it's weight when it comes to tow ratings, it has little to do with the engine at that point.

[Shepherd]

That's why I went with a dually.:C

[MFL]

I always go by, if you truly need the diesel to pull it, then you need the 3500 to carry the weight.

Jerry