Trying to understand combined weight limits in Ontario

grampscamper wrote:
My understanding is I can drive a pickup truck towing a 5th wheel provided the combined weight doesn't exceed 11,000 kg with a class G license.
Is this actual weight or gross weight as per trailer & vehicle stickers?

the tow vehicle should have a sticker on the post behind the front door. the tow vehicle axle weight limits are also on this sticker

the trailer should have a sticker on the front left.

these document the MAXIMUM.. Gross Vehicle Weight Ratings.
the actuals are not listed anywhere..
on 5th wheels (starting when I don't know) there is usually a sticker on the unit door frame specifying its 'dry' weight.

the Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating depends on the Actuals.
the tow vehicle towing capacity and gross combined are in a document the manufacturer publishes, but not on the vehicle.

Gross weight

Go on the Ontario ministry of transport web site.

Search for.....license regulations for towing 5th wheel with pickup


We tow a 27ft TT and a 17ft boat behind our Avalanche. We went directly to a MTO office and had them print out all the info regarding our situation. The web site can be confusing at times. Also don't forget to look at any newly revised rules.

Also, each province has different regulations. However....if you travel in any other province or in the US your Ontario ruling goes with. Even though the weights may be different in those provinces or states, you will be legal

I understand where to get the weight ratings & tow ratings for my truck. I also understand where to find the gross weight ratings of the trailer.
I did call MTO & the person on the phone wasn't exactly clear either.
Class G license in Ontario can tow a 5th wheel provided the combined weight of the vehicle & 5th wheel don't exceed 11,000kg.
What I was asking is if I take my truck & trailer to a Cat scale & combined I'm below 11,000 kg would I be legal in Ontario regardless of gross weight rating of 5th wheel?

loulou57 wrote:
Gross weight

Go on the Ontario ministry of transport web site.

Search for.....license regulations for towing 5th wheel with pickup


We tow a 27ft TT and a 17ft boat behind our Avalanche. We went directly to a MTO office and had them print out all the info regarding our situation. The web site can be confusing at times. Also don't forget to look at any newly revised rules.

Also, each province has different regulations. However....if you travel in any other province or in the US your Ontario ruling goes with. Even though the weights may be different in those provinces or states, you will be legal

Thanks. I think you answered my question. My understanding is if my scaled weight is under 11,000kg but my gross published weight is over I would require a Class A.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/pubs/recreational-vehicles/frequently-asked-questions.shtml

I think you are confusing gross weight with GVWR. Gross weight is the weight measured on a scale on the day. The actual weight at the time of weighing. The rule requires that the tow vehicle be a pickup truck with the stock OEM box and with a GVWR not to exceed 6,000 KG. The combination weight as actually measured can't exceed 11,000 KG. The combined total of the truck GVWR and the trailer GVWR can exceed 11,000 kg, just not the actual scaled weight.

The trailer has to be primarily living quarters. A horse trailer with a small living quarters does not comply, nor does a race car trailer with a small living quarters and a big garage. A toy hauler with a garage that converts to living quarters would comply.

Brian

VintageRacer wrote:
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/pubs/recreational-vehicles/frequently-asked-questions.shtml

I think you are confusing gross weight with GVWR. Gross weight is the weight measured on a scale on the day. The actual weight at the time of weighing. The rule requires that the tow vehicle be a pickup truck with the stock OEM box and with a GVWR not to exceed 6,000 KG. The combination weight as actually measured can't exceed 11,000 KG. The combined total of the truck GVWR and the trailer GVWR can exceed 11,000 kg, just not the actual scaled weight.

The trailer has to be primarily living quarters. A horse trailer with a small living quarters does not comply, nor does a race car trailer with a small living quarters and a big garage. A toy hauler with a garage that converts to living quarters would comply.

Brian

Brain, I was confusing gross weight with GVWR. Now I have a clear understanding.
I'm getting a new 5th wheel & will be legal.

Thanks

OR you can do what I did: get a Class A license. My GCWR (and GCW) is well over 11,000kg.

joebedford wrote:
OR you can do what I did: get a Class A license. My GCWR (and GCW) is well over 11,000kg.

Thanks but now that I understand the law I can stay under the 11,000kg combined no problem.