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Very Disappointed with New Keystone Alpine

Mike_Stanbro
Explorer II
Explorer II
We just purchased a 2018 Alpine 3400RS. We custom ordered it as we wanted full body paint, a generator, and dual-pane windows. I took delivery two weeks ago.

This is my fifth RV so I am no stranger to the issues one encounters with a new RV. Unfortunately this one has a remarkable number of problems and I am very disappointed with the quantity of them and the seriousness of a few:

1) The TPO roof membrane has numerous sharp objects under it that will eventually protrude through it (staples, screws, wood chips, etc.). It appears that the roof was not cleaned before the membrane was stretched over the decking material. I towed the trailer to the Keystone factor in Indiana (2000 miles) and showed the roof to the Customer Support Manager. I was told Keystone will do nothing about it. If it leaks within the warranty period, they will evaluate it then. Which means what -- patches where the objects poke through? - UGH! I wanted them to install a new roof at the factory. After being told by the Customer Support Manager that this was considered "acceptable build quality" I was furious. Had I known this was their position, I would not have taken delivery of the trailer.

I get up on my RV roof a least once a year to clean and put down UV inhibitor. I also plan to install solar panels and will need to clean them off periodically to maintain peak performance. It will be difficult if not impossible to walk on the roof without stepping on an area where one of those sharp objects is poking upwards. It will be no time before holes form. To be blunt, I'm pissed.

2) The power for the emergency breakaway circuit was wired without a fuse or circuit breaker and the hot wire of the breakaway switch was installed such that it chafed between the front cap and the pin box. It eventually shorted to the pin box which is chassis ground. That wire got extremely hot and melted all of the insulation on that wire, melted the split-loom tubing it was routed in, and melted against the other wires in the loom. It was a #16 wire, wired directly from the battery to the hot side of the breakaway switch. The brake wires on the switched side of the switch are #12 and there are two of them. The current draw on that circuit is over 15A. A #16 wire is too small for that current and that it was wired with no over-current protection is unbelievable. Why it did not burn up all the wires in that loom, or the entire trailer when it shorted to the chassis is a mystery. Built to RVIA standards? I think not.

3) A hydraulic line on the right-front jack split and is leaking fluid.

4) The light fixture over the kitchen island lost pieces of its hardware due to vibration and the pieces got under the driver-side slide during transit from the factory to the dealer. When the slide went out, the pieces trapped under the slide damaged the vinyl flooring. Not sure how that is going to get fixed as it is sheet material. A whole new floor? Again, the Customer Support Manager made it clear that it would not be done at the factory. How well is that going to turn out if done by a dealer?

5) The bathroom shower has a chip in the gel coat on the floor so that black color from the underlying fiberglass is showing. I don't know if a workman dropped a tool on it or if it is a manufacturing defect. Either way, I was allowed to leave the factory with the chip in it. QA? I am also unsure how that is going to get fixed.

6) One of the ceiling fan blades broke off on the trip home from the Keystone factory, apparently due to road shock. Is that going to be an on-going problem?

7) The rear screws of the drawer slides that support the kitchen drawers were only 3/8" long and screwed into soft pine. They pulled out of the pine and the drawers were dangling from just the front screws when I opened them.

๐Ÿ˜Ž The audio cable that runs from the living room TV to the stereo head unit was wired such that audio out from the TV was plugged into the audio out of the head unit (should have gone to audio in). Granted, a minor issue, but it took me a long time to figure out what was wrong and required that I pull the head unit out of the cabinet to trace the wiring.

9) The passenger-side slide is leaving large patches, several feet long, of black marks on the vinyl floor that I scrub away only to have reappear the next time the trailer goes down the road. It seems there is black material on the underside of the slide's leading edge that is rubbing off on the floor due to vibration during travel.

In summary, this unit is NOT up to the quality I expected from Keystone. That they did such a poor job on the roof is infuriating. I purchased this Alpine due to the positive things I read about the Alpine brand and Keystone products. To say that I am disappointed is an understatement.

The fact that Keystone considers the issues with the roof "acceptable build quality" should be a warning to potential buyers.
Mike Stanbro
Portland, OR
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justme
Explorer
Explorer
All mfg's have a percentage junk--- The RV industry needs a competitor like Japan that actually forced the American automobile industry build better products. Meanwhile a very detail oriented PDI is the only real defense one has to obtain an RV they will be happy with. NEVER finalize a sale until a very detail oriented PDI is completed and any problem found is corrected to expectation. Otherwise simply walk away and find another dealer. If you are unable to do a proper PDI higher some one who knows what to check for.

Ralph_Cramden
Explorer II
Explorer II
2001400ex wrote:
This is what the dealer gave me that I signed and sent to FR. They called me a few days later and cashed the check.



I had the same form in my info packet in April of 2016 for our 17 Rockwood. Ours was only $150. The price was specific to brand, model, or size and some Forest River divisions such as Primetime and Coachmen never offered it to begin with. The cutoff date for the 2nd year warranty extension was June 30 2017, I was wrong about the date / year they discontinued it in my prior post. It is not available after that date. There are plenty of posts at the FR forum where people have put up copies of the letters they received from Forest River. I find it hard to believe they still offer it only in select states. Given the level of bad assembly that comes from those factories its no surprise, at least to me, that they discontinued such a program.
Too many geezers, self appointed moderators, experts, and disappearing posts for me. Enjoy. How many times can the same thing be rehashed over and over?

2001400ex
Explorer
Explorer
This is what the dealer gave me that I signed and sent to FR. They called me a few days later and cashed the check.

2017 Forest River Stealth SA2816
2020 GMC Denali 3500 Duramax
Anderson ultimate fifth wheel hitch

Ralph_Cramden
Explorer II
Explorer II
2001400ex wrote:
Ralph Cramden wrote:
2001400ex wrote:
I don't understand RV manufacturers. They have paid my local dealer $5k easily for work done to mine purchased last year. And I paid FR $250 for a second year warranty which I have a feeling it'll be the best $250 I've ever spent. I'm lucky that I have a great local dealer to work with me and I often go a month without camping so I'm not worried about it sitting at the dealer. And I didn't purchase local. It truly is amazing all the stuff FR messed up on like loose fittings and wires. I'm surprised more don't burn up or get water damage. Last thing I need fixed is the dumb faucet that opens up in transit.


Forest River stopped offering the 2nd year warranty extension @ the summer of 2016 so get your use out of it before it expires which has to be soon.

The reason was stated to be they were not allowed to offer it any longer due to some government regulation. If they were interested in offering it and govt regulation was the true reason, they could just offer it across all lines and tack on the cost to the wholesale price, but they figured out what a money loser it had to be mostly due to their crappy assembly processes.


They only stopped it in some states and they upped the cost from $150 to $250. I specifically talked to them on the phone last summer about it. As I read the exact same thing online.



Better talk to them again because there is not any mention of it anywhere on the website nor in any of the borchure PDF's as their used to be. Perhaps its now some super secret squirrel extended warranty thats only available on a need to know basis. It would be awfully stupid for a manufacturer to only offer such a program in certain states. They originally offered it nationwide, so did a group of states get together and all pass legislation at the same time, or what gives?

Depending on brand when it was available the price varied by brand / size of unit. I believe it was anywhere from $100 to $300.
Too many geezers, self appointed moderators, experts, and disappearing posts for me. Enjoy. How many times can the same thing be rehashed over and over?

DownTheAvenue
Explorer
Explorer
F-TROUP wrote:
Me I would take a trip to the desert with a candle and a propane leak.


Great idea! Insurance fraud and arson! Then you would take a trip to the pokey for 10 years.

cummins2014
Explorer
Explorer
Me Again wrote:
It can be that bad. Like Ford trucks, people repeatedly by Montana 5th wheels time after time.


And a friend of ours has the Bighorn, I won't bother to list the issues they have had, but its bad. I have two items that I consider issues with my Montana, which is now nearly 11 years old. One is leaky hydraulic hoses, and I replaced them all, and graphics starting to get bad. Thats it. Some little things that pretty much occur on all of them, and fixed by me.

Oh!!, and 16 years with a Ford Superduty , once back to the dealer with the CPS recall. I regret buying this 2014 Ram that replaced that Ford, every time I have gone in for warranty work, and the SEVEN recalls I have had .

Good ,and bad in everything. I got a great Montana fifth wheel, and been to a couple Montana rallies, and lots of happy Montana owners , sure there are the unhappy ones. Go ask our friend what he thinks of the Bighorn, you will get an ear full. I just tell him he should of bought a Montana ๐Ÿ™‚

2001400ex
Explorer
Explorer
Ralph Cramden wrote:
2001400ex wrote:
I don't understand RV manufacturers. They have paid my local dealer $5k easily for work done to mine purchased last year. And I paid FR $250 for a second year warranty which I have a feeling it'll be the best $250 I've ever spent. I'm lucky that I have a great local dealer to work with me and I often go a month without camping so I'm not worried about it sitting at the dealer. And I didn't purchase local. It truly is amazing all the stuff FR messed up on like loose fittings and wires. I'm surprised more don't burn up or get water damage. Last thing I need fixed is the dumb faucet that opens up in transit.


Forest River stopped offering the 2nd year warranty extension @ the summer of 2016 so get your use out of it before it expires which has to be soon.

The reason was stated to be they were not allowed to offer it any longer due to some government regulation. If they were interested in offering it and govt regulation was the true reason, they could just offer it across all lines and tack on the cost to the wholesale price, but they figured out what a money loser it had to be mostly due to their crappy assembly processes.


They only stopped it in some states and they upped the cost from $150 to $250. I specifically talked to them on the phone last summer about it. As I read the exact same thing online.
2017 Forest River Stealth SA2816
2020 GMC Denali 3500 Duramax
Anderson ultimate fifth wheel hitch

Ralph_Cramden
Explorer II
Explorer II
2001400ex wrote:
I don't understand RV manufacturers. They have paid my local dealer $5k easily for work done to mine purchased last year. And I paid FR $250 for a second year warranty which I have a feeling it'll be the best $250 I've ever spent. I'm lucky that I have a great local dealer to work with me and I often go a month without camping so I'm not worried about it sitting at the dealer. And I didn't purchase local. It truly is amazing all the stuff FR messed up on like loose fittings and wires. I'm surprised more don't burn up or get water damage. Last thing I need fixed is the dumb faucet that opens up in transit.


Forest River stopped offering the 2nd year warranty extension @ the summer of 2016 so get your use out of it before it expires which has to be soon.

The reason was stated to be they were not allowed to offer it any longer due to some government regulation. If they were interested in offering it and govt regulation was the true reason, they could just offer it across all lines and tack on the cost to the wholesale price, but they figured out what a money loser it had to be mostly due to their crappy assembly processes.
Too many geezers, self appointed moderators, experts, and disappearing posts for me. Enjoy. How many times can the same thing be rehashed over and over?

2001400ex
Explorer
Explorer
I don't understand RV manufacturers. They have paid my local dealer $5k easily for work done to mine purchased last year. And I paid FR $250 for a second year warranty which I have a feeling it'll be the best $250 I've ever spent. I'm lucky that I have a great local dealer to work with me and I often go a month without camping so I'm not worried about it sitting at the dealer. And I didn't purchase local. It truly is amazing all the stuff FR messed up on like loose fittings and wires. I'm surprised more don't burn up or get water damage. Last thing I need fixed is the dumb faucet that opens up in transit.
2017 Forest River Stealth SA2816
2020 GMC Denali 3500 Duramax
Anderson ultimate fifth wheel hitch

Blazing_Zippers
Explorer II
Explorer II
Mike, we can relate. Our Cougar is a pile of junk. The one thing in our favor here, was the factory in Pendleton took ours in and repaired the slide perfectly. Having said that, almost each month we have the trailer, we find another issue.
I had to laugh at the comment about the desert, a candle, and a propane leak. Although this is a bad idea, we actually have wondered about lightning strikes.??
Best of luck.

Bird_Freak
Explorer II
Explorer II
Hammerboy wrote:
"#OUCH ! ! ! Below the belt Chris.... Ford trucks are NOTHING like Keystone RVโ€™s... I would never own a Keystone MADE product..."

Not to mention he drives a Dodge er I mean Ram :B
You really meant to say Fiat didn't you?:B
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wilber1
Explorer
Explorer
newman fulltimer wrote:
Why did you notcatch this or some of this in your pdi and not accept the trailer?


Why didn't the manufacturer or dealer catch it? Not everyone is physically able to crawl around on the top of an RV. What about all the stuff you can't see on a PDI? That is what quality quality control is supposed to be about.
"Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice" WSC

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troubledwaters
Explorer III
Explorer III
Hammerboy wrote:
...Not to mention he drives a Dodge er I mean Ram :B
He likes the aesthetics of the rusty body panels.

janstey58
Explorer
Explorer
X2!
Jeff and Kim
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phillyg
Explorer II
Explorer II
classic 31 wrote:
Really do you think they are going to fix everything under the warrantee befor you even purchase it .you might get them to agree to fix certain things befor you accept delivery.but that will be after you buy it.


I'm sorry, you're wrong on this. I would and did expect the fixes. Whether you agree to purchase or order an RV, like any other product, there is an implied warranty that the product is serviceable. That is why a good PDI should be done. Absent a PDI, if the buyer continues the purchase and drives away, it's on the purchaser to then fight to get the required repairs. It's a contract law thing, i.e., offer and acceptance. Bottom line is you don't have to accept (buy) a bad product. Now, you may have to fight to get a deposit back but in the end, the consumer usually wins that.
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--2014 Wildcat 327CK, 38' SOLD