Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal

[juzplanekrazy]

I don’t know if it’s been done before or not but I was thinking about keeping a running list of real truck weights by year and type, and trailer weights by brand, size and what the total combined weight is of each guys rig. I was hoping the info would be a help for guys wondering about what the real weights are for a certain type of truck and to keep track of the more popular brand 5th wheel trailers. Another thing that will come out of it will be to see just how many guys really know what they are towing and if they know what their weight capacities are.
I’m sure it will take some time to compile a list and it will grow as guys add there info but I’m hoping it will help the newer guys in the long run to be directed back over to this thread in the future.
I’ll keep the TV lists to mainly the big 3 and from ¾ ton and up and I’ll try to keep the 5ers in a group by real GVW, length, and then manufacture. Any ideas are welcome as long as it makes things easier. And only real information can be given, so no guessing allowed. Only guys that have scaled there rigs or are totally certain of the weights.
Let’s see if I can keep the format real simple to type down and that will make it simpler for guys to refer back to and to keep track of.
Here we go……

TV - 2006 Dodge Mega Cab 3500 4x4, real scaled weight with full fuel, hitch, DH-DW and misc. gear = 7,500lbs. TV GVWR is 10,200lbs
5ver – KZ New Vision TH 38ft 14,500lbs loaded GVW. GVWR is 18,000lbs
Normal running TV & TH GCW weight= 22,500lbs, TV GCWR is 23,000lbs
Real Wet Pin Weight=2,950lbs

[juzplanekrazy]

16 pages of great information on truck and trailer weights.
I still haven't gone to the scales with my new F-350. I'm waiting on my RDS 91 gal aux. tank and to get all the goodies I want in the tool box. Then I'll be ready to head to the scales for a real weight ticket. I'm going to take the trailer too; I know it's been gaining weight like a weight lifter at winter time:B
I'll report back soon.

[FastEagle]

2003 Everest 363K 38'
2004 Dodge (stock) CC LB DRW Cummins Turbo Diesel Auto Trans 4.10

Hop on the scales evey now and then just to see how it's Going. Figure as long as I stay under the 23,000 lb combined weight I'm good to go. I usually top out at about 22,700 but am always a little over if I have a couple extra of passangers and their stuff.

FastEagle

[slogoin]

06 GMC 3500 SLT DRW 4X4 Duramax-Allison 18K Signature hitch
06 Carriage CarriLite KIQ36

Totally empty trailer (furniture removed, empty tanks, etc) taken in for repair
Steer 4480 Drive 6380 Trailer 10,340 Total 21,200 on CAT scale

Stuffed (food, clothes, furniture, etc), traveling @50 gal h20, 80# propane, dry black & gray, everything my beloved wife could cram into every space
Steer 4520 Drive 7580 Trailer 14,900 Total 27,000 even on CAT scale

Motion-handling-ride-stopping ability all seemed "just right" to me

Bill

[donandbear]

i AM IN NEED OF KNOWING INFORMATION ON MY 1982 38 FOOT mARATHON. tHE MANUFACTURER DOESN'T HAVE ANY RECORDS AND THE TAG HAS LONG SINCE BECOME ILLEGIBLE. wOULD ANYONE KNOW THIS WEIGHT. tHEY SAY IT IS A 35 FOOTER BUT FROM FRONT TO BACK IT IS ACTUALLY 38. WOULD APPRECIATE ANY HELP HERE......GOING THE DISTANCE SHORTLY.

[thirteen]

How do I know how much I can carry? I am going to buy a 5th wheel upgrading from my tag along. I have 2002 Chevy 2500 HD with 6.0L gas suicide doors cab and 6 foot bed.
I put 5 people in the cab so I know I have to add up everyone and everything I put in the truck. But, how do I know how heavy of a trailer I can pull? Does the 3/4 ton truck mean I am suppose to only put 1,500 pounds on the pin?
If I add up the trailer and truck weights (loaded), what is the max I am suppose to stay under?

[sanddunesaddict]

TV 2000 GMC C6500
5er 2006 Fleetwood Gearbox 385fs2g

Rating / Scale
Steer Axle 11k / 6820
Drive Axle 19k / 5860
Vehicle w/o trailer 25950 / 12680
Never weighed the 5er empty

Loaded steer 7360
loaded drive 8720
Trailer Axle /14080

Combined 43150 / 30160

The hauler isnt even FULLY loaded yet.This was with a 1/3 tank of water,one propane tank full,genny tank 3/4 and fuel station full.
I had no food or clothes in trailer.
I am going to be WAY over on the trailer when loaded!!!!

[Mayoman]

1997 Dodge 2500 HD with Cummins Diesel (automatic):
Loaded to go camping with myself, wife, hitch,gear and full fuel:
Steer Axle 3780
Drive Axle 2620
Gross Weight 6400
GVWR* 8800

TV and Cougar 293 SAB Loaded: (No water in tanks)
Steer Axle 4080 (GAWR 4500)
Drive Axle 4440 (GAWR 6000)
Trailer Axle 7920
Gross Weight 16440
Gives Loaded 5er weight of 10040.
True Hitch Weight Loaded: 1820 (within limits)
Axle weights within limits
TV and 5er GCWR 440 over--gonna have to lose some gear and maybe make
wife walk (just kidding).

Interesting 5er weight because empty weight is listed just shy of 9000# by manufacturer and I can almost guarantee I haven't added 1040 lbs. of gear.

[BillandCarole]

It is my observation that virtually all of the Chevy Duramax's 6.6 (including ourselves) are appearing to be exceeding the max vehicle weights (GVWR) of 9,200 lbs. Admittedly we were over by only 400 lbs (when loaded) but this seems to be the case with most of us. (We will have to shift loads to the rear of the 5'ver and dump the firewood) We had safely, with no control issues either in normal or emergency situations, towed this way for over 10,000 miles. Some who have posted, have weights of over 1000 lbs or more over this. Some recognize the issue, some don't. While it is normally the custom to have a considerable amount of "cushion" in the "safe" or "maximum" gross weights, it is disconcerting to know that we were doing this, and it could have legal implications, not to mention insurance issues. I wonder if this is also the case with the other makes and models? It was also interesting that many focus on the max cargo or pin weights and ignore the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) which is the most limiting. We were within all of the axle ratings, and cargo weight limits and still exceed the Gross vehicle Weight limit. We focused on the wrong things.
Bill

[Jonesey]

Our 2005 2500HD CC SB 4X4 6.0 and 2006 Mountaineer 319BHS ready to go for a weekend:

Axle Scale / Rating
Steer 3600 / 4800
Drive 5320 / 6084
Gross 8920 / 9200
Trailer 9120 / 10,160 (tandem axles)
Overall 18040 / 16,000 (GCWR)

Every axle is within specs, however my GCWR is exceeded by just over a ton. If my truck had the 8.1 gasser or the Duramax, it would have a 22,000 GCWR. So, brakes and frame are the same as the more powerful engines, I'll just climb the hills a tad slower. Pickup alone weigh 3540 on the steer, and 2940 on the drive axle, giving me a trailer weight of 11,560 and a pin weight of 2440. Montana says this trailer will have a hitch weight of 1770, I suppose that could be possible empty....Brochure gives trailer GVWR as 11,930 but sticker on the side of the camper says 12,105 for a GVWR. Tires are ST235/80R16 Load Range E with a load rating of 3560 per tire. The truck rides very nice and level with the stock suspension. Brochure also says the trailer weighs 9690 dry, so I have added 1870 pounds of water, propane, clothes, food, blocks, beer, etc.

Hank

[siliconjunkie]

2001 Ford F-250 4x2/Extended Cab Short Bed/Lariat/6.8 V10
Truck w/full tank of fuel
6800 lbs

Truck with 2001 KZ Sportsmen 2457, full tank of fuel in truck, full LP in trailer, empty water/waste tanks:
15,000 lbs

Trailer works out to be 8200 lbs and gross is 10,000
Unfortunately, I did not have the axles positioned right to get all the axle weights, I have steer and trailer axles and gross.

[akula1]

Here's my stock 2003 Silverado, 2500 HD D/A LS EC Long Bed
2009 Keystone Montana 2980RL

Rating / Scale
Steer Axle 4,800 / 4,240
Drive Axle 6,084 / 5960

Vehicle w trailer 9,200 / 10,200
Vehicle w/o trailer / 7,500
Max Load as noted 2,655 / 2,700
Trailer Axle / 10,000

Combined 22,000 / 20,040

Question I have is, if I am underweight on all axles, but over on vehicle w trailer by 1000 lbs, should I be concerned?

I barely have 500lbs of cargo. The trailer weighs 11,200 empty.

Thanks for your response.

[dkiewicz]

TV - 2000 GMC K3500 4x4
Cort 20K hitch
*********************************

Size, liters/cu. in. 5.7 /350
Horsepower @ rpm. 255 @ 4600
Torque (lb-ft) @ rpm. 330 @ 2800
Curb Weight, lbs. 4292
Standard Payload, lbs. 2755
Fuel Capacity, gals. 34.0

Model K30903
UWV 5227 lbs
GVWR 9200 lbs
GAWR Frt 4500 lbs
rear 6084 lbs
CGVWR 17500

5ver 2008 Rage'n Xtra-Lite 3205 32' Toyhauler
*********************************************
100 gal water
40 Gray
40 Black
14 g propane
4.0 Onan
20 Gal fuel cell
UVW - 8310 lbs (includes propane and generator etc...)

Cat scale TV w/17 gal fuel and hitch 6060 lbs w/5ver on hitch 7580 lbs for a pin weight of 1520 lbs

5ver 15 gal fuel, food, clothes mountain bikes empty Fresh/Gray and Black tanks - 8400 lbs

Front trailer axle 3180 lbs
Rear trailer axle 3700 lbs

CGVWR 14,460 lbs

w/100 gal fresh water and 2 dirt bikes 9710 lbs

CGVWR 15,770 lbs


I couldn't believe a max tow rating of 8300 lbs for the 2000 model year 1 ton. I talked with GMC, the local guru on towing, and anybody else that's had an opinion on this and my goal became to stay under 10K. Not only for the license, but the truck actually performs well stock.

I am adding a tranny cooler, K&N filter and Magna Flow exhaust. I expect to pick up another 30hp and 11 ft-lbs of torque.

As everyone told me I wouldn't win any races, and I have more than enough truck, but I can pull Cajon Pass in So Cal at 55 mph (the speed limit) with no less than 35 mph at the steepest grade near the top at 2500 rpm. I could most certainly run it to the floor and maintain 55 bottom to top, but what's the point.

I'm getting 8 mpg with trailer and about 12-13 mpg without.

I'm sure there's a few here with opinions that have loads of experience, so please jump in!

I'm glad I found this place because all of my homework was by myself, and so far I think I did it right.

Dan ...

[wfr1]

2K8 Silverado Duramax
2K7 Komfort 241fs (25ft 5th Whl)


Truck Empty 7500 Lbs
Trailer Empty 6963
Total 14470

Truck Fwd Axle wt 4400
Truck Rear Axle wt 5200
Trailer Axles wt 7600
Total 17200

5 gallons fuel
no water
empty holding tanks
lots of stuff in the 5'ver
lots of stuff in truck bed
too much fire wood

[AUWing]

Here's my all stock 2006 Silverado, 2500 LT - EC - Reg box - D'Max and 2006 Jayco 325 bunkhouse

Rating / Scale
Steer Axle 4,800 / 4,440
Drive Axle 6,084 / 5,140

Vehicle w trailer 9,200 / 9,580
Vehicle w/o trailer / 7,240
Max Load as noted 2,655 / 2,340
on door piller sticker
Trailer Axle / 8,520

Combined 20,000 / 18,100

[Betsy_II]

Paul:

Very nice arrangement and well taken care of.

You do understand the loading parameters for your truck and 5er.

Happy RV'g.
Roy