Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal

[juzplanekrazy]

I don’t know if it’s been done before or not but I was thinking about keeping a running list of real truck weights by year and type, and trailer weights by brand, size and what the total combined weight is of each guys rig. I was hoping the info would be a help for guys wondering about what the real weights are for a certain type of truck and to keep track of the more popular brand 5th wheel trailers. Another thing that will come out of it will be to see just how many guys really know what they are towing and if they know what their weight capacities are.
I’m sure it will take some time to compile a list and it will grow as guys add there info but I’m hoping it will help the newer guys in the long run to be directed back over to this thread in the future.
I’ll keep the TV lists to mainly the big 3 and from ¾ ton and up and I’ll try to keep the 5ers in a group by real GVW, length, and then manufacture. Any ideas are welcome as long as it makes things easier. And only real information can be given, so no guessing allowed. Only guys that have scaled there rigs or are totally certain of the weights.
Let’s see if I can keep the format real simple to type down and that will make it simpler for guys to refer back to and to keep track of.
Here we go……

TV - 2006 Dodge Mega Cab 3500 4x4, real scaled weight with full fuel, hitch, DH-DW and misc. gear = 7,500lbs. TV GVWR is 10,200lbs
5ver – KZ New Vision TH 38ft 14,500lbs loaded GVW. GVWR is 18,000lbs
Normal running TV & TH GCW weight= 22,500lbs, TV GCWR is 23,000lbs
Real Wet Pin Weight=2,950lbs

[jimw606]

2003 F250 7.3 & 2006 Crossroads Cruiser 29RK

Truck fueled, wife & dog. 7,900#
truck with trailer 9,280
Trailer ready to travel 8,900
Pin weight 1,340
Gross Truck & Trailer 16,800

[CardMan]

Well here are the full results of the weigh in with the new TV and 5er:

TV: 2006 Ram 3500 QC CTD SB
5er: 04 Cardinal 31LX 34' total length

TV (myself, DW, Daughter, Siberian Husky and 1 row of firewood in front of hitch)
Steer - 4,640lbs
Drive - 3,400lbs
Gross - 8,040lbs W/O 5er hooked up

TV + 5er
Steer - 4,640lbs
Drive - 5,700lbs
Gross - 19,560lbs

TV (5er hooked up)
Steer - 4,640lbs (under 5200lb rating)
Drive - 5,700lbs (under 6200lb rating)
Gross - 10,340lbs (440lbs over 9,900 GVW)

5er: (Ready for camping, carrying a full water tank...)
Axle - 9,220lbs
Pin - 2,300lbs
Gross - 11,520lbs Max Gross 12,400lbs

[BillandCarole]

Weight Gain - How easy it is!!!
Our rig normally weighs in about 9000 for the truck and 7200/7300 for the 5'ver. Were headed north to Alaska and drove through a closed DOT weight scale that had left the scales on. To my shock, the truck weighed 10,000 lbs and the rig 7800. The rig weight was fine as it grosses at 13,000 but we were well over our 9,200 lbs. max truck weight. Much of this was firewood which we have now shed, and some of it was tankered fuel which was nearly full (70 plus gallons). The truck towed fine and I would NEVER have guessed we were that heavy up front. We'll shift weight from the front of the 5'ver to the far rear (under the couch) and try to weigh again before we cross the border.
Bill

[Irelands_child]

What this great thread has shown me is that, 1. My '06 F350 V10/Lariat/FX4/CC weighs a significant bit more then the 7000# that it is registered for and, 2. our '06 Titanium 23E33TS three slide fiver is most likely much heavier then the 9951# shown on its registration. Not a clue as to pin weight, but probably well up there, but probably below the 11,000 gvwr of the truck the way I normally load. It looks like a trip to the scale is in order if for no other reason then to make sure the tires are up to the task on the trailer (they are 'D' rated, but in my opinion should be 'E's).

[-lenny-]

2009 Crossroads Seville VF35CK
Onan 6.5k generator
110 watt solar panel
3 30lb propane bottles
Full fresh water
Groceries, clothes, BEER!
2008 Dodge 3500 Mega Cab
6.7L Cummins Diesel 6 speed automatic
3.73 rear end
Tow/Haul, Factory Exhaust Brake
200L (55 gal) slip tank
Me, Wifey, and the dog
Steer: 4975 lbs
Drive: 6900 lbs
Trlr: 10980 lbs
Total: 22855 lbs
Weights taken at DOT scale, multiplied by 2.2 to convert to pounds.

[Sinterior]

Sinterior wrote:
What a great thread! Soon after buying my current truck in '06 I found its limitations for real world cargo capacity which limited me to my old 10,000lb fiver, which actually put my truck weight with fiver at 9500lbs.
I'm picking my new Montana up on Thursday and towing it empty to our storage yard until I find a dually. I'm lucky in that my dealer is great and I trust them and they are looking for a truck for me.
Now I know, buy your TV after the 5th wheel!
IMHO with today's governments at all levels scrambling to generate revenue, RV'rs are going to be targeted for weight/safety checks and fines.
The last thing I need is to be in another country (we travel the U.S. a lot) and run into being overweight and the likely problems to follow, or here in Canada which seems to be checking RV'rs more and more.
I've seen a lot of posts here and other sites that basically state there are few if any actual laws that cover non commercial vehicle weights or safety issues (some "self proclaimed" lawyers have said as much on some forums, but being realistic, how many of us would be prepared to hire a lawyer and fight any fines in regards to being overweight, and literally perhaps waiting years and paying out a lot of money to get a ruling, which we may well lose?)

Peter

p.s....I'll weigh my current truck both with the new fiver (empty) and without and post the results from a BC certified weigh station, and weigh again in a few days with both loaded for a long trip.

Here are the numbers as of today, I did't get a chance to weigh the fiver empty.

Truck...2006 Chev 2500HD E/C S/B 4X4 D/A
Truck with me, DW, Linex liner 5th wheel hitch, toolbox with about 100lbs "stuff", maybe 150lbs, rubber backed skirting for the fiver, full tank fuel.

fr axle 1950kg...4290lbs
rr axle 1500kg...3300bs
= 3450kg...7590lbs
This is the heavier LT model with power heated leather seats, power sunroof, power mirrors, side step rails, undercoating, Linex bed liner, aluminum tool box in the truck bed etc etc, which add a suprising amount of weight. IIRC just these options alone add 350+lbs of weight! If only I knew then what I know now about weight......

With trailer, Montana 3400RL 10th Anniversary, plus slide awnings, gel coat exterior (I understand it adds weight?), 4 6V Trojan T105's in boxes in front compartment, solar panels on roof, dual pane windows, loaded for a trip (food, bedding, clothes, dishware, and RV stuff like BBQ, spare propane tank, tools lawn chairs etc etc, minus fridge contents and 1/3 tank fresh water, other tanks empty.
No generator or washer dryer.

fr axle 1990kg...4378lbs
rr axle 2640kg...5808lbs
= 4630...10186lbs

Trailer axles 5150kg...11330lbs
pin weight....1180kg....2596lbs

GCVW 9780kg....21516lbs

All above weights based on 2.2lbs per kg.

Although (suprisingly) I'm under axles and tire ratings, I'm over truck GVW by 1000lbs, thats why I'm now looking for a 1 ton dually.

All the above weights were done at a BC government weigh scale, where I was told I didn't have the necessary license endorsement to tow a trailer over 4600kg....10120lbs (I knew that and am working on it) and that because I went there voluntarily to be weighed, and was going to park the trailer at my storage site, I wasn't ticketed or made to park the trailer, but if I was caught at a weigh stop, I would be.

A note to BC residents, I heard before that BC was going to start checking resident RV'ers and after today, I believe it.
As far as I know, this doesn't apply to out of province or country residents.

I have tried to find out what is meant by the 4600kg limit, is it actual trailer weight, the trailers GVWR or the weight on the axles alone, not including pin/hitch weight? When I phone to ask these questions, there's a pause at the other end and
I get "I think it means"......take your pic of the above questions I have asked. Once I did get someone who said they were'nt sure and they would call me back......he did!! After looking for the answer,he wasn't sure and was just as confused as I was and still am.

Peter

[PAPA_-_HONEY]

Towing 27' Wildcat with 2005 GMC 2500HD Diesel LLY Duramax / Allison-
total weight 16,180# -
Capacity 23,500#
Truck - 6800# - GVWR 9,200#
Trailer - 9,380# - (dry weight - 6,800#)
Pin Weight - 1,740# -
leaving 7,640# on axles (rated 10,500#).
Plenty of safety margin all the way around.
Weights taken on a certified scale

[Sinterior]

What a great thread! Soon after buying my current truck in '06 I found its limitations for real world cargo capacity which limited me to my old 10,000lb fiver, which actually put my truck weight with fiver at 9500lbs.
I'm picking my new Montana up on Thursday and towing it empty to our storage yard until I find a dually. I'm lucky in that my dealer is great and I trust them and they are looking for a truck for me.
Now I know, buy your TV after the 5th wheel!
IMHO with today's governments at all levels scrambling to generate revenue, RV'rs are going to be targeted for weight/safety checks and fines.
The last thing I need is to be in another country (we travel the U.S. a lot) and run into being overweight and the likely problems to follow, or here in Canada which seems to be checking RV'rs more and more.
I've seen a lot of posts here and other sites that basically state there are few if any actual laws that cover non commercial vehicle weights or safety issues (some "self proclaimed" lawyers have said as much on some forums, but being realistic, how many of us would be prepared to hire a lawyer and fight any fines in regards to being overweight, and literally perhaps waiting years and paying out a lot of money to get a ruling, which we may well lose?)

Peter

p.s....I'll weigh my current truck both with the new fiver (empty) and without and post the results from a BC certified weigh station, and weigh again in a few days with both loaded for a long trip.

[wtom24]

Tow vehicle 1989 International 9670 Cabover 13,850# with full fuel.
Front axle 8800#, Rear Axle 5050# (without Fifth wheel)
Fifth wheel '92 36 foot Alumalite
14'000# loaded with empty tanks
Pin weight 2800#

[tubzz]

1997 F-250,RC,PSD,4x4 with a keystone cougar 285EFS 5er

Steer Axle: 3780
Drive Axle: 4840
Trailer Axle's: 7800
Gross Weight: 16420lbs
fuel tanks full,around 60 gallons of water (left the drain half open and had to fell the tank the next morning),2 dogs,me and the wife.i don't usely tow with that much water,just this time the dump station had a line and the flying J was 4 miles away and thought i would weigh it with water in the tanks just to see how fat we are.

[blackhorse04]

2007 Forest River Cardinal 36TS and 2008 Chevrolet Silverado 3500 LTZ DRW:

Steer Axle: 4460 lbs
Drive Axle: 6720 lbs
Trailer Axle: 12420 lbs
Gross Weight: 23,600 lbs.

Getting close to the max weight of my dually - hard to believe these fifth wheels can get to weighing that much.

[ramcneal]

Vitalady wrote:
OK, totally stupid question........ how do you weigh your rig(s)? Can you just drive up to a truck weigh and ask permission? Pay? Or is there another "weigh", so to speak?

No such thing as a stupid question.

I went to a local CAT certified scale and paid the $9. I remember someone mentioning that their scale operator didn't charge them if they just wanted the numbers without anything being printed out.

[Vitalady]

OK, totally stupid question........ how do you weigh your rig(s)? Can you just drive up to a truck weigh and ask permission? Pay? Or is there another "weigh", so to speak?

[svedspx]

New guy here and I wanted to say hello to everyone. These are my weights according to Cat Scales
Truck
2007 Tundra Regular cab and standard bed. Truck is weighed eguipped with a 12k class 4 hitch and a 16k slider 5r hitch and 3/4 tank of gas.
Truck only
Actual/Rated
Steer axle 2740 / 3900
Drive axle 2340 / 3950
GVW 5080 / 6600

Fifth Wheel
2005 Aljo 2605 27' Full water and propane
Sticker Dry weight 6450 lbs and Dry pin weight 960 lbs.

TV with 5r Actual/ Rating
Steer axle 2780 / 3900
Drive axle 3440 / 3950
GVW 6220 / 6600
5r axle's 6040 / 8400
5r pin 1100 / ???
5r total 7140 / 10300
GCVW 12260 / 14000

[Brad_NSW]

Here's my numbers for Dodge Ram 3500 SRW
Montana 5th wheel
Cab mounted boat/motor (see signature picture):
In the Cab: Wife, dog and fishing poles

Gross Veh. Wt Rate Rated: 9,900/Loaded 10,120 (over by 220lbs)
Gross Ax Wt (front) Rated:4,750/Loaded 4,460 (under by 220lbs)
Gross Ax Wt (front) 4,220 Empty (Diff-240lb - wife, dog, boat)
Gross Ax Wt (rear): 6,150/Actual 5,660 (under by 490lbs)
Gross Ax Wt (rear) 2,940 Empty (Diff-2,600 tounge wt+120 boat/motor)
Gross Comb Wt Rate: 19,000/Actual 21,000 (over by 2,000lbs)
Trailer Axle Wt: 10,880lbs
Trailer Wt: 13,480lbs
Tounge Wt: 2,600lbs (19.3% of trailer wt)

With the Pac Brake, the 2,000 over on GCWR doesn't seem too bad. Thoughts??
Handles grades up and brakes down just fine. Hit a turn out on a down grade today and it was WAY too short, braked just fine and the sports cars piled up behind us went on their merry way.