Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal

[juzplanekrazy]

I don’t know if it’s been done before or not but I was thinking about keeping a running list of real truck weights by year and type, and trailer weights by brand, size and what the total combined weight is of each guys rig. I was hoping the info would be a help for guys wondering about what the real weights are for a certain type of truck and to keep track of the more popular brand 5th wheel trailers. Another thing that will come out of it will be to see just how many guys really know what they are towing and if they know what their weight capacities are.
I’m sure it will take some time to compile a list and it will grow as guys add there info but I’m hoping it will help the newer guys in the long run to be directed back over to this thread in the future.
I’ll keep the TV lists to mainly the big 3 and from ¾ ton and up and I’ll try to keep the 5ers in a group by real GVW, length, and then manufacture. Any ideas are welcome as long as it makes things easier. And only real information can be given, so no guessing allowed. Only guys that have scaled there rigs or are totally certain of the weights.
Let’s see if I can keep the format real simple to type down and that will make it simpler for guys to refer back to and to keep track of.
Here we go……

TV - 2006 Dodge Mega Cab 3500 4x4, real scaled weight with full fuel, hitch, DH-DW and misc. gear = 7,500lbs. TV GVWR is 10,200lbs
5ver – KZ New Vision TH 38ft 14,500lbs loaded GVW. GVWR is 18,000lbs
Normal running TV & TH GCW weight= 22,500lbs, TV GCWR is 23,000lbs
Real Wet Pin Weight=2,950lbs

[PINELLAS]

My 2009 Dodge Quad Cab Longbed 4x4 dually diesel with a 4:10 axle is rated at the following:
Steer Axle 5200 lbs.
Drive Axle 9350 lbs.
GVW (Gross Vehicle Weight) 12200 lbs.
GCVW (Gross Combined Vehicle Weight) 24000 lbs. with 4:10 axle
Max Trailer Weight 16900 lbs

Okay, let's get to the numbers! We are full timers so are rig was weighed with everything we carry. On my first weigh with the rig (truck and trailer) and a 1/2 tank of diesel, my Certified weigh ticket reported:

Steer Axle 4760 lbs. (Rated for 5200 lbs.)
Drive Axle 6800 lbs. (Dually rated for 9350 lbs.)
Trailer Axles 12380 lbs. (combined axles rated for 14000 lbs.)
Gross Weight 23940 lbs. (Truck GCVW rated for 24000 lbs.)

So, with all of those numbers in mind, I'm within the manufacturer's rated weights on my truck. With the trailer my GVW on the truck is 11560 lbs., well under the rated 12200 lbs. However, I'm only 60 lbs. under the manufacturer's GCVW of 24000 lbs. Now I should note that the GCVW is considerably less with a 3.73 rear axle at 21000 lbs.

I went back to the scales after unhitching from our Cameo fifth wheel to weigh the truck separately. The truck only had a 1/2 tank of diesel but was loaded just as if traveling to include the dogs, storage box, hitch, inflatable kayak, satellite tripod, gray tote tank etc. The results of the truck weigh were as follows:

Steer Axle: 4980
Drive Axle: 3740
Gross Weight: 8720

Now it's interesting to note that with the fifth wheel hitched it transfers 220 lbs. of truck weight off the steer axle and onto the drive axle.

The numbers for our 2010 Cameo F35SB3 are:
hitch weight: 2820 lbs.
Axles weight: 12380
total weight: 15220 lbs.
The manufacturer's GVW rating is 14999 lbs.
So, we are over the GVW on the fifth wheel by 221 lbs. That's with about 20 gallons of water in the storage tank and empty grey and black tanks

[capemayal]

2009 HR Presidential Suite 37RLQ 16060#
2006 F350 Lariat CC LB 4x2 DRW Diesel 8360#
GCW 24420#

[Fire5er]

2006 Ford F-350 6.0 PSD 4x4 LB SRW
2007 Keystone Montana, 3400RL (38’ 9”)

Weighed with 350+ lbs of occupants (DW and me), hitch, 30+ gals diesel, trailer full for weekend type camping.

Truck Only
Steer Axle = Rating 5,600 = Actual 4,760
Drive Axle = Rating 7,000= Actual 3,229
GVWR = Rating 11,400 = Actual 7,989
Max GCVW 23,000

Truck & Trailer
Truck Steer Axle = 4,780
Truck Drive Axle = 5,620
Pin Weight = 2,411
5er Front Axle = 5,315
5er Rear Axle = 5,205

GCVW
20,920

[Sharopete]

The real deal:

2005 Dodge Ram 3500 SRW, Banks brake, rear air, Prodigy P3
2008 Titanium 34E39QSSA

TV ratings
FAWR 5200 lb RAWR 6200 lb GVWR 9900 lb GCWR 23000 lb
TV passengers and gear per scale
FAW 4600 lb RAW 3100 GVW 7700 lb
As above plus loaded trailer
FAW 4620 lb RAW 5860 lb GVW 10480 lb GCW 20960 lb
Trailer GVWR 14,680 lb loaded 13,260 lb

Tows happy, stops great (electric hydraulic and prodigy P3)so I'm going to ignore that 580lb area of excess. 🙂

[herkybc130]

I had heard that you could get your TV re-certified for a higher GCWR. I wish I had my truck and 5th wheel weighed before actually purchasing the unit. I would not have bought what I did if I had known what the total weight was. Not that my TV isn't more than capable of pulling my 5'er. But as it stands now, I am 500 lbs over my max GCWR. Maybe an excuse to buy a F450?

[krz71]

What do you mean with regards to getting a higher GCWR? I assumed that the GCWR set by the manufacturer is the highest it can be, and can't be changed?

[herkybc130]

Does anybody here have experience with the DOT in Kentucky getting their TV certified for a higher GCWR?

[dieselfreak21]

TV 2003 Ram 2500 Quad Cab Long Box Cummins: Actual Weight Full of fuel, hitch, dogs, kid, wife and tools 7130. GVWR 9000, GCVWR 19000. RV: 32' Cardinal, 3 slides, GVWR 14000. Ready to camp minus water as I don't haul with water (personal choice), TV and RV 20500. 2800 on the pin.

[zachlaplante]

On Vehicle Ratings:

Weight ratings is a complicated subject, but needs to be understood. There are several ratings, most of which do not add together. They are actually different ratings and are limited by different conditions. Here is my understanding of the ratings:

GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating): This is the weight limit of your vehicle. It includes all passengers, gear, fluids, fuel, everything (called gross weight). It does not include the weight of a tow vehicle, but it would include the pin weight of a fifth wheel, since that weight is a load in the truck bed. I'm not sure what design aspect of the vehicle limits this, but my guess is that it is suspension and handling related.

GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating): This is the weight limit of your vehicle plus any towed vehicles. It includes the gross weight of the tow vehicle and the gross weight of the towed vehicle. Note, gross weight is the actual total weight of the loaded vehicles, not the gross weight limit. This limit is usually related to either the drive train capability or the breaking capability of the tow vehicle. Since the trailer has its own brakes, my guess is the limit is related to the drive train of the tow vehicle.

GAWR (Gross Axel Weight Rating): This is the weight limit that is allowed on any axel. Your vehicle will have one rating for the front axel and another for the rear axel. As with GVWR, GAWR includes all weight loads such as passengers, gear, and fuel. If you have a fifth wheel hitched, it would include the pin weight load. This limit is to keep the respective axel from being overloaded, it is usually limited buy the ability of the tires to support the total axel load.

Tow Rating: This is the limit of the tow hitch at the rear of the vehicle. It is a limit to the gross weight of the towed vehicle. This limit is normally related to the strength of the hitch. If you are towing a fifth wheel, it is of no concern to you because the fifth wheel is not connected to the tow hitch.

There is only one way to know if you are operating within your vehicle weight limits, and that is to load up the tow vehicle and trailer and go to a scale and get weights. The trailer needs to be fully loaded, including fluids, so the holding tanks should be full, and all of your gear should be loaded on the trailer. To do it right, you should get four weights: Front axel (FA), rear axel hitched (RAH), rear axel unhitched (RAU), and trailer axel (TA). Please note that the pin weight of a fifth wheel will add a little weight to the front axel, because the fifth wheel ahould be a few inces in front of the rear axel, but the amount is so small, I am ignoring it and assuming all of the trailer pin weight falls on the rear axel.

FA + RAU should be less than GVWR
FA + RAH + TA should be less than GCWR
FA should be less than Front GAWR
RAH should be less than Rear GAWR

Your pin weight (PW) is RAH - RAU

PW + TA should be less than the GVWR for the trailer

I hope this helps. I recommend you take the time to check your weights, all of the weight ratings are there as safety limits.

[Future5_er]

Newbie here... Please bare with me... I am wondering what my truck limit is on hitch weight. TV is '04 F-250 crew cab 2 wheel drive 6.0 diesel motor. From my calculations I am running into a limit on hitch weight before I hit any other limits.
8800lbs Tow vehicle limit
7500lbs Tow vehicle weight full of fuel with myself, wife, kids
From my calcs, I am limited to 1300lbs for hitch weight. True??
I haven't purchased a 5th wheel yet. Looking at a Cruiser bunkhouse model with a pin weight of 1500lbs.

[herkybc130]

2002 F350 CC PSD DRW 4WD with 59 gallon internal tank topped off wife and two kids aboard:

- steer axle 4700 lbs
- drive axle 3520 lbs
- gross weight 8220 lbs

2010 Jayco 365 BHS with above mentioned truck:

- steer axle 4900 lbs
- drive axle 5920 lbs
- trailer axle 9620 lbs
- gross weight 20440 lbs

According to the data plate on my truck, Front GAWR is 5200 lbs. Have 300 lbs to spare. Rear GAWR is 8250 lbs. Have 2350 lbs to spare. My total GCWR is 20,000 lbs according to the Ford manual. So, if I am reading my weight slip correctly, I am already 440 lbs over my max GCWR. And I have not even started to load up the "extras"; tools, camping stuff, beach stuff, etc.

Thoughts?

[Tom_Dale]

2002 QC CTD

Axle capacity per driver side rear door decal:
4,500 - Front
6,084 - Rear

Tow ratings for 2500 CTD QC 4x2 with 3.55/4.10 axle ratio:
13,800 - Max trailer weight rating
20,000 - GCWR

3,085 - Tire rating @ 80psi

Flying J scales with loaded 5th wheel, including 300lb dirt bike and Joe Hauler on trailers rear hitch:
4,040 - Front
5,260 - Rear
9,600 - 5th wheel axles
18,900 - lbs gross

[EMD_DRIVER]

We just bought a 2003 Sunline F-311SR yesterday. On the way home, we stopped by a cat scale.

Steers: 4,780lbs

Drives: 5,760lbs.

Trailer: 8,220lbs.

GCVW: 18,760lbs.

TV is a 2005 F350 PSD crew cab, short bed. Reese 16,000lb slider hitch.

[AntiqFreq]

We just weighed our rig this past weekend
with the truck and trailer attached,
then detached....

The truck weighs by itself - 8300 lbs.....
Full tank, 2 Honda generators in tool box
and the hitch & five gallons of gas & 2 adults
inside.

The camper weighs by itself - 10,0400 lbs....
that is fully loaded for camping. No load in
the holding tanks except for 1/2 full in the fresh
tank.

According to the sticker for the trailer, we are NOT
overloaded.....yeah......it says we can be up to but
not over 11,000lbs...can't believe it....

All that stuff and still underweight!

J.P.

[grizmt]

Dave&Monica wrote:

grizmt wrote:
'06 GMC 3500 CC Dually, 2010 Big Sky 340RLQ fully loaded for full time.
2230 lbs

2230lbs!! Heck, I could pull that with my old S10!
Just kidding...you're obviously missing a zero.

Yep,sorry....