Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal

[juzplanekrazy]

I don’t know if it’s been done before or not but I was thinking about keeping a running list of real truck weights by year and type, and trailer weights by brand, size and what the total combined weight is of each guys rig. I was hoping the info would be a help for guys wondering about what the real weights are for a certain type of truck and to keep track of the more popular brand 5th wheel trailers. Another thing that will come out of it will be to see just how many guys really know what they are towing and if they know what their weight capacities are.
I’m sure it will take some time to compile a list and it will grow as guys add there info but I’m hoping it will help the newer guys in the long run to be directed back over to this thread in the future.
I’ll keep the TV lists to mainly the big 3 and from ¾ ton and up and I’ll try to keep the 5ers in a group by real GVW, length, and then manufacture. Any ideas are welcome as long as it makes things easier. And only real information can be given, so no guessing allowed. Only guys that have scaled there rigs or are totally certain of the weights.
Let’s see if I can keep the format real simple to type down and that will make it simpler for guys to refer back to and to keep track of.
Here we go……

TV - 2006 Dodge Mega Cab 3500 4x4, real scaled weight with full fuel, hitch, DH-DW and misc. gear = 7,500lbs. TV GVWR is 10,200lbs
5ver – KZ New Vision TH 38ft 14,500lbs loaded GVW. GVWR is 18,000lbs
Normal running TV & TH GCW weight= 22,500lbs, TV GCWR is 23,000lbs
Real Wet Pin Weight=2,950lbs

[Bakersfield]

2010 Sabre Silhouette SRF250RLUD 5th Wheel by Palomino (Forest River)
2005 Ford F350 Crew Cab, 4x4, 6.0L, Man Trans, Long Bed, Dually, 4:10, camper package, Lariat, Companion Hitch (Turn Over Ball)

Weighed using CAT SCALE (Hwy 58/Hwy 184 Bakersfield, CA.)

Truck Only (Full Tank of Fuel)with hitch
Steer Axle 4800 Lbs
Drive Axle 3700 Lbs
Total 8500 Lbs

Combined- Truck Only (Full Tank of Fuel), Full Propane & 42 gallon Water Tank
Steer Axle 4750 Lbs
Drive Axle 5020 Lbs
Trailer Axle 6640 Lbs
Total 16440 Lbs

Data (Source 2005 Ford Towing Guide)
Truck Maximum Trailer Towing Weight– (Manual Transmission) 15,600 Lbs
Truck Maximum Cargo with Slide-in Camper Rating 4,627 Lbs
Truck GVWR 13,000 Lbs
Truck GCWR 23,500 LBs

Data (Source posted on sticker on Coach)
Trailer Weight= 7330 Lbs dry
Trailer GVWR= 11311 Lbs
Trailer Cargo= 3931 Lbs

Pin Weight= 1340 Lbs (16.6%)
Trailer Weight= 7940 Lbs Wet
Cargo Weight available= 3371 LBS

ST225/75R/15D Duro Tires

[coeburn]

TV: 2004 Chevy Silverado LS crewcab long bed Duramax LB7 w/Allison 5 speed auto. 31 gallons fuel, one person @ 175 lbs.

Fifth wheel: 2008 Weekend Warrior LED3505 Billet Edition. Loaded for long weekend, no water, empty waste tanks, 60 lbs. propane, Two batteries, 5.5 genset, 20 gallons fuel, two quads @ 640 lbs each.

TV rated capacity: 9,200 lbs.
Fifth wheel rated capacity: 18,000 lbs.

TV Weights Empty:
Front axle: 4,000 lbs.
Rear axle: 2,920 lbs.
Total TV weight: 6,920 lbs.

TV and Fifth wheel weights Loaded:
Front axle: 3,980 - decrease of 20 lbs.
Rear axle: 5,980 - increase of 3,060 lbs (pin weight)

Fifth wheel axles: 12,000 lbs.
Total trailer weight: 15,060 lbs.

Total Combined weight: 21,960 lbs.

I added air springs and changed the LT245 tires to LT265 to handle the extra weight. Truck pulls, turns and stops the rig fine even though I know it is over it's rated weight.

[sirdrakejr]

That discussion is off topic now. Please return to "Real weights".
Frank

[VNDOC]

Yes! Now what?

[kakampers]

mayo30 wrote:

VNDOC wrote:
I have a 2008 Dodge 2500 with added 2 leaf springs each side, crew cab, long box, HD, Cummings in line 6 factory installed exhaust brake , 6 speed auto, ST model, rated at 6745# by the State of Florida. Open range 413RLL, GVWR 14165#, the 413 is the sq. foot of living space. All together it comes to, GVWR, 20,910#, right at 53 to 56 feet long going down the road. Now for a look inside the mind of a person who won't look at facts. My best friend's, we have known each other for a little over 60 years,father was a plastering contractor in Daytona Beach, FL. he would always by 1/2 ton trucks, 6 cylinder, 3 speed standard. He would load the bed with as much as he could put in it, and then to bring the front wheels back down on the ground he would put bags of plaster on the hood, any other things he needed he would put on the floor and seat beside him. He never changed the oil, only added some if it was needed and he wouldn't buy new oil, only recycled oil because it was cheaper. Also he would hook his mixer to the hitch and put things in it that he needed to do his work. He passed away about 15 years ago at the age of 96. I told that story to bring to light calculating facts about weight of truck and trailer is great to know what you have but, how many of us going down the road are rock collectors. I have a wife and 15 year old daughter, plus myself if we stay in one spot more than a year we have do the garage sale thing, or toss it in the big green box before heading out to the next stop.

Yesterday I thought you had a 2009 Heartland did you trade?

For real!!! Yesterday you had an Open Range "on order", while complaining about your Heartland...thought that post was "fishy"...

[mayo30]

VNDOC wrote:
I have a 2008 Dodge 2500 with added 2 leaf springs each side, crew cab, long box, HD, Cummings in line 6 factory installed exhaust brake , 6 speed auto, ST model, rated at 6745# by the State of Florida. Open range 413RLL, GVWR 14165#, the 413 is the sq. foot of living space. All together it comes to, GVWR, 20,910#, right at 53 to 56 feet long going down the road. Now for a look inside the mind of a person who won't look at facts. My best friend's, we have known each other for a little over 60 years,father was a plastering contractor in Daytona Beach, FL. he would always by 1/2 ton trucks, 6 cylinder, 3 speed standard. He would load the bed with as much as he could put in it, and then to bring the front wheels back down on the ground he would put bags of plaster on the hood, any other things he needed he would put on the floor and seat beside him. He never changed the oil, only added some if it was needed and he wouldn't buy new oil, only recycled oil because it was cheaper. Also he would hook his mixer to the hitch and put things in it that he needed to do his work. He passed away about 15 years ago at the age of 96. I told that story to bring to light calculating facts about weight of truck and trailer is great to know what you have but, how many of us going down the road are rock collectors. I have a wife and 15 year old daughter, plus myself if we stay in one spot more than a year we have do the garage sale thing, or toss it in the big green box before heading out to the next stop.

Yesterday I thought you had a 2009 Heartland did you trade?

[VNDOC]

I have a 2008 Dodge 2500 with added 2 leaf springs each side, crew cab, long box, HD, Cummings in line 6 factory installed exhaust brake , 6 speed auto, ST model, rated at 6745# by the State of Florida. Open range 413RLL, GVWR 14165#, the 413 is the sq. foot of living space. All together it comes to, GVWR, 20,910#, right at 53 to 56 feet long going down the road. Now for a look inside the mind of a person who won't look at facts. My best friend's, we have known each other for a little over 60 years,father was a plastering contractor in Daytona Beach, FL. he would always by 1/2 ton trucks, 6 cylinder, 3 speed standard. He would load the bed with as much as he could put in it, and then to bring the front wheels back down on the ground he would put bags of plaster on the hood, any other things he needed he would put on the floor and seat beside him. He never changed the oil, only added some if it was needed and he wouldn't buy new oil, only recycled oil because it was cheaper. Also he would hook his mixer to the hitch and put things in it that he needed to do his work. He passed away about 15 years ago at the age of 96. I told that story to bring to light calculating facts about weight of truck and trailer is great to know what you have but, how many of us going down the road are rock collectors. I have a wife and 15 year old daughter, plus myself if we stay in one spot more than a year we have do the garage sale thing, or toss it in the big green box before heading out to the next stop.

[wildross]

Just weighed ours at the Escapee RV-Boot Camp

Truck, 2008, 2WD Ram 3500 Diesel Dually Quad Cab. 2010 38' Grand Junction 5th wheel.
With me, the wife, the dog and a full tank of fuel.

Front GAWR 4750
Rear GAWR 9350

w/o trailer
Front 4570
Rear 3590
Total 7960

w trailer
Front 4540
Rear 6340
Total 10880

Trailer (weekend load, full load of water)
on the axles 10030
tongue wght 2920
Total 12950

GCWR 20,910

Most interesting things are that the front axle of the truck is essentially fully loaded with out the trailer...and that the Reese hitch (which I thought was too far back) is in the perfect place (just like the specs say it is).

Think I'm going to drop the receiver hitch and make sure I load the trailer evenly....

[theburtseoni]

2007 Dodge 6.7L Diesel one ton 4X4 dually, reg cab with long wheelbase, custom built lo-pro 12-ft steel flatbed with alum tool box on top, and one alum tool box under. With full 52 gallons of fuel and myself on board the weight at the scale is right at 10,000 lbs.

[Drtry10]

This is my weight fully loaded with bikes, generator, full tank of water, empty grey and black tanks.

Steer Axle - 4640
Drive Axle - 5500
Trailer Axle - 8080
Total - 18220

I weighed the truck empty and it weighed in at 8710.
I am under weight on everything except GVWR, which is 8800. I would be interested to see how they compute the GVWR from the factory. I can never be under on GVWR unless all I haul is 90 lb of groceries. Anything else and I am over. These f-250's are nice and strong, but can't leagally haul $#!t. Have since removed generator and bikes to try and get close enough to legal as I can.

[kenn209]

Stopped at the CAT Scales on way to Chippokes State Park in Va the other day, I had about 3/8's on the fuel gauge, Just me in the truck. All tanks empty. Towing with 2006 Dodge Ram MegaCab SLT 2wd, Husky 16k slider and Firestone Ride Rites.

Steer Axle - 4220
Drive Axle - 4940
Trailer Axle - 8180
Gross - 17340

From Dodge Web site:

With 3.73 Axle Ratio Axle Ratio You Can Tow 12950 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) = 9000 lbs
Payload = 2116 lbs
Curb Weight = 6884 lbs
Curb Weight Front/Rear = 3961 lbs/3961 lbs
GAWR Front/Rear = 4750 lbs/6010 lbs
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) = 20000 lbs

I didn;t get a chance to weigh the truck without the Fiver on the back.

[flyboy369]

Frostdog,

I have been looking at the 2011 Raptor 300MP and it shows a shipping weight on their website of 11246 lbs. I had always heard that the shipping weights are generally lighter than the actual weights empty but am intrigued that you had the gen tank full and a 1500 lb toy in it and it only weighed 11,020 lb. Does that mean yours weighed around 9,000 lb empty?

Also, what does your 300MP show as a max GRVW? Their website doesn't show the max gross.

Troy

Frostdog46 wrote:
Our 2010 Raptor RP300MP weighs 11020 with full generator fuel tank, no water on board, and a 1500 lb. toy on board,

We pull this with a 2007 Dodge Ram 2500 eight foot bed, quad cab, 6.7 Cummings Diesel equipped with Airlift add on pillows. The truck with full tank came in at 9440 lbs. hitched up to the Raptor. Run with 70 psi rear and 50 psi front on the truck and 80 psi on the trailer quads.

On our recent long trip of near 3000 miles we got as low as 8.7 and a high of 14.3 miles per gallon. The average was 10.8 and we traveled at 65 miles per hour 99% of the trip. Used no oil on the motor with 40k miles. Pulled mountains with no more than one down shift of the six speed Alison. This truck performs very well and rides like a dream-loaded that is.

I am a happy camper!

[tgreening]

2008 Ford F-450 6.4 CC DRW

Empty w/ full tank, me, and B&W hitch
Steer------5,080#
Drive------4,340#
Total-----------------9,420#

2011 Heartland 3950 Toy Hauler

Elec. rear bunks, Onan 4500. 15 gal gas, empty tanks.
Loaded and ready to go.

Total------16,040#

Total Combined weight---25,460#


Total Combined-----25,460#

[wpinef]

1995 Ford F-350 460 CC DRW
Steer 3560
Drive 3780

2002 Rockwood 8285 SS
8520

Total combined weight 16860

[Brent_and_Gina]

"Steer-axle = 4500 lb
Drive-axle = 6420 lb
Trailer-axle = 9380 lb
Gross Weight = 20300 lb

What does all this mean in terms of being over the weight limits?"

I'd start with your RAWR and more specifically what your tires are rated to carry. Your weight seems very close to tire ratings max. Loaded blowouts can be deadly.