Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal

[juzplanekrazy]

I don’t know if it’s been done before or not but I was thinking about keeping a running list of real truck weights by year and type, and trailer weights by brand, size and what the total combined weight is of each guys rig. I was hoping the info would be a help for guys wondering about what the real weights are for a certain type of truck and to keep track of the more popular brand 5th wheel trailers. Another thing that will come out of it will be to see just how many guys really know what they are towing and if they know what their weight capacities are.
I’m sure it will take some time to compile a list and it will grow as guys add there info but I’m hoping it will help the newer guys in the long run to be directed back over to this thread in the future.
I’ll keep the TV lists to mainly the big 3 and from ¾ ton and up and I’ll try to keep the 5ers in a group by real GVW, length, and then manufacture. Any ideas are welcome as long as it makes things easier. And only real information can be given, so no guessing allowed. Only guys that have scaled there rigs or are totally certain of the weights.
Let’s see if I can keep the format real simple to type down and that will make it simpler for guys to refer back to and to keep track of.
Here we go……

TV - 2006 Dodge Mega Cab 3500 4x4, real scaled weight with full fuel, hitch, DH-DW and misc. gear = 7,500lbs. TV GVWR is 10,200lbs
5ver – KZ New Vision TH 38ft 14,500lbs loaded GVW. GVWR is 18,000lbs
Normal running TV & TH GCW weight= 22,500lbs, TV GCWR is 23,000lbs
Real Wet Pin Weight=2,950lbs

[BigCL]

TV: 2009 2500HD

Steer Axle 3800
Drive Axle 4480
Trailer Axle 7120
Total Axle 15400 (per CAT scale)

Weight of TV w/o Trailer with a full tank of fuel 6740lb
Trailer WT Loaded 8660
Pin WT 1540
GCWR 16000

[Tireman9]

BMW
Isn't the GCWR 23,000#?

I am having trouble understanding your weights.

[ramcneal]

B W M wrote:

YES your fifth wheel is mounted to close to the cab. See if your fifth wheel is a adjestable.If so you need to move it back from 1 to 2 inches. 1 might do it for you.== GOOD LUCK Here is my truck frunt 5.160 Both 12.160 truck trailer 28.200+ both trailer axles 10.880

His 5th wheel might not be located to close to the cab. He should weigh his truck when empty to determine if the 5th wheel is adding any weight to the front axle. My truck (Dodge 2500 Cummins quad cab 4x4) weighs in around 4500lbs on the front axle without the trailer which is not much lighter than his truck.

[B_W_M]

ramcneal wrote:

siberian wrote:
OK, I just got off the Cat Scales in Battle Creek Mi. 02 F-350, SRW, CC,4X4, 7.3PSD, auto. 5er is a 1997 30ft Wildwood. Steering axle 4980, drive 4580, trailer axle 6740. Why is my steering weighing more than my drive axle? DW and myself, and 1/2 tank of fuel. Can somebody explain this to me.

That's easy. Diesel engines are heavy. There's an article on esacpes.com (I think that's the right forum) talking about using Class 8 trucks for towing 5th wheels. In the article the author talks about avoiding a certain model of Cummins engine because without the weight of a real trailer you run the risk of being over weight on the front axle.

YES your fifth wheel is mounted to close to the cab. See if your fifth wheel is a adjestable.If so you need to move it back from 1 to 2 inches. 1 might do it for you.== GOOD LUCK Here is my truck frunt 5.160 Both 12.160 truck trailer 28.200+ both trailer axles 10.880

[sirdrakejr]

Do a search in this forum for GVWR and stand back. You will find all the answers you need with some you don't! :B
Good luck and welcome back.
Frank

[BarbChapman1950]

New to the forum - Reentering camping with an 02 Jayco Quest 5th wheel, 26 feet. Need a truck. I thought the trucks GVWR had to be over the weight of the trailer (with cargo, people, etc). Is that correct? Think the trailer is 8600 lbs,but am going to check with Jayco. Looks to us that no 1/2 ton would do it, so thinking 3/4 ton. Looking at this real weights post however, I am thinking I may have it wrong as it appears quite a few of the trailers exceed the tow vehicles rating? Can someone help?? Thanks!! Barb

[B_W_M]

Ready to row 22.900+

[Tireman9]

So from Long2213 numbers we see a 5% variation from average to heaviest and I know my RV is 5% of side to side. So if you don't get the reas axle by axle side to side loading you can be off by 10%.

When you chack the load and inflation tables for your size, type and load range tires do you apply at least a 10% factor?

And have you confirmen your pressure gauge is not reaing high?

And do you check every day tou travel?

[long2213]

05 F350 King Ranch DRW crew cab CGWR 23500
07 3814 Raptor GVWR 15500
Weighed with 3/4 fuel, 3/4 water, grey and black water empty, and garage empty
TV 8800lbs
Fwd axle 4170lbs
Cnt axle 3890lbs
Rr axle 4330lbs
Estimated hitch weight 3000lbs
Total 24190lbs
Glad I have a 14 foot garage

[afdds]

Thanks, that will work!

[afdds]

Thank you for making this a sticky. We are in the market for a fifth wheel and a TV. I've been reading this thread all morning. Question for anyone....I can't tell by the posters which TV are diesel. Sorry for the stupid question. Of course, I have to do all the research while dear husband is at work. I know he said diesel F250 or 350. I will post in another thread for a recommmendation, however, I just need to know which TV's are diesels so I can start a spread sheet.

This stay-at-home mom says thanks for the help.:)

[siberian]

Thanks guys for the replies, makes sense about the oil burner being heavier. This is our first diesel truck, we were pulling the 5er with an under powered, over worked 3/4 ton gasser. We were getting about 3 gas stations to the mile with it, now we get 12-13 mpg depending where my foot is. I picked up a transfer tank, 105 gal, now I wonder if it will overload my steer axle? We hope to hit the road as part-timers in 2011. Again thanks for the help, this site has been fantastic in answering a lot of our questions!

[dubdub07]

siberian wrote:
OK, I just got off the Cat Scales in Battle Creek Mi. 02 F-350, SRW, CC,4X4, 7.3PSD, auto. 5er is a 1997 30ft Wildwood. Steering axle 4980, drive 4580, trailer axle 6740. Why is my steering weighing more than my drive axle? DW and myself, and 1/2 tank of fuel. Can somebody explain this to me.

That's an easy question. You are pulling a light trailer. 8500# for a fifth wheel is light. Your pin wt is probably 1500-1700#. Not a whole lot. Ram-guy is also correct; diesel motors are heavy! Takes a lot of pin wt to even it out!

[ramcneal]

siberian wrote:
OK, I just got off the Cat Scales in Battle Creek Mi. 02 F-350, SRW, CC,4X4, 7.3PSD, auto. 5er is a 1997 30ft Wildwood. Steering axle 4980, drive 4580, trailer axle 6740. Why is my steering weighing more than my drive axle? DW and myself, and 1/2 tank of fuel. Can somebody explain this to me.

That's easy. Diesel engines are heavy. There's an article on esacpes.com (I think that's the right forum) talking about using Class 8 trucks for towing 5th wheels. In the article the author talks about avoiding a certain model of Cummins engine because without the weight of a real trailer you run the risk of being over weight on the front axle.

[sammie]

I have a 2004 crew cab 6lt diesel and I am looking at a 2002 32ft citation with 2 slide's would any one know the dry weight & gvwr of this 5th wheel? Thanks