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As requested, Red Max Pro instructions

4x4van
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This has been posted before, but it tends to eventually get lost and covered up by newer posts. However, some have requested it again, so here it is. I do not recommend this for a newer MH with a good finish, or with full body paint and/or clearcoat that still shines and still responds well to waxes and polishes. This process is for older RVs that have lost their shine and no longer respond to conventional wax.


Restoring the finish of an older RV using Red Max Pro:

Materials:
-Red Max Pro (Step 3) Low Maintenance Floor Finish* (available only at Lowes, about $16)
-Bar Keeperโ€™s Friend (powdered)
-TSP (Trisodium Phosphate, powdered)
-3M scrubbies (white, fine)
- Microfiber rags (white or laundered)
-Latex gloves



* If you canโ€™t find Red Max Pro #3 at Loweโ€™s, Home Depot sells the same product under a different name for slightly more money. It is Zep Wet Look Floor Finish (Step 3), about $25. (Both are made by ZEP.)



Preparing the surface is the most important part, since anything left on the surface will be sealed under the Red Max Pro acrylic coating, and improper prep can also result in peeling/flaking later. I repeat: The prep-work is the most important part! Do not try to cut corners here. The cleaner your RV is, the better your final results will be.

Step 1: Start by washing your RV well as you normally would, making sure to include the roof, and rinsing well from the top down.

Step 2: You now want to remove any and all stains, soiling, oxidation, and chalkiness from the surface. Dip a white 3M scrubbie into water and then liberally sprinkle Bar Keeperโ€™s Friend (BKF) on it. Scrub the surface of the motorhome, rinsing the scrubbie and re-applying the BKF often. Do small areas at a time, rinsing well with water and a sponge as you go (Rinsing well is important to remove all BKF residue. I used a "flow-thru" brush attached to a hose to rinse the BKF residue thoroughly).

Step 3: Next you want to make sure that there is absolutely no remaining wax on the RV, since any residual wax can cause the Red Max to peel and flake. Mix up a bucket of TSP (1/2 cup) in water (2 gal), and use it to wash the entire RV again. You can use it with a carwash brush, a sponge, a pressure washerโ€ฆanything you would normally use to wash your RV. Rinse well as you go, then rinse again and let it dry completely (again, rinsing well is important to remove all TSP residue). You should now be left with a clean and smooth (although dull) wax-free surface. Congrats, the hard part is done!

Step 4: Now comes the easy part. Shake the Red Max Pro (RMP) well, and pour some into a shallow container (a pie pan works well). Fold a microfiber rag to about hand-sized, dip it into the RMP (trust me, use gloves!), and squeeze out the excess. How much/how wet? You want it more than damp, but less than dripping. Now simply wipe down the surface of the RV with the wet microfiber rag. Donโ€™t try to apply a heavy coat or try to โ€œrub it inโ€; just wet the surface (imagine wiping off a layer of dust with a damp rag). It really doesnโ€™t matter whether you wipe horizontally, vertically, or in circles, and donโ€™t worry about overlaps; RMP is very thin/watery and you are just trying to โ€œmoistenโ€ the surface. Work your way all the way around the RV. The thin coat of RMP will dry very quickly; long before youโ€™ve gone all the way around it will be dry and you can immediately start on the next coat.

That first coat will likely look really bad; streaky, blotchy, shiny in some places, dull in othersโ€ฆdonโ€™t panic. Each additional coat will start to even it out and build up a deep layer of shine. By coat 3, you will be grinning ear to ear. And coat 4 (or 5?) will be the icing on the cake. Not only will your RV shine like it hasnโ€™t shined in years, it will be a deeper color as well*. Even old, faded graphics will have a new lease on life! All for less than $30 total!

*Note: This procedure will slightly change/darken the color/shade of your RV.

Things (I learned) to keep in mind:

-Donโ€™t use new colored microfiber rags until they have been laundered, as the color may bleed.

-Donโ€™t try to โ€œover-applyโ€, or try for a heavy coat, or you will get runs. The thinner, the better. Remember, youโ€™re just trying to โ€œmoistenโ€ the surface with each thin coat, nothing more. If you are getting a lot of runs, youโ€™re applying it too heavily.

-Be careful around window frames, locks, latches, etc., as the RMP is very watery and will have a tendency to gather and cause runs. RMP dries fast, so keep an eye out for any runs and give them a quick wipe before they start to โ€œset upโ€.

-Some older, deteriorated graphics may โ€œbleedโ€ color onto the rag and surrounding areas. If you notice any bleeding during the BKF or TSP stage (steps 2 and 3), then give a quick wipe of RMP across the graphics prior to step 4, which will seal them up. Then go ahead and apply the RMP to the entire RV (including the now sealed graphics) as per step 4 of the tutorial.

-After each coat, go around and open/operate all hatches, locks, catches, etc. The RMP acrylic coating can sort of โ€œglueโ€ them closed. ๐Ÿ™‚

-You can also do the window frames (avoid the glass) and other painted metal areas; in fact, I did my entire Class C cab since, like the rest of my RV, it was also very weathered and dull. Came out great!



Maintaining the Red Max Pro finish:

Now that your RV looks like it has a new, clear coated paint job, youโ€™ll want to maintain that new finish as long as possible, right? Well, good news. With Red Max Pro, thatโ€™s easy to do as well.

Most commonly used car wash soaps and mild detergents will not harm the Red Max Pro finish, so you can wash your RV as you always have. In fact, youโ€™ll probably find that it comes clean much easier than before, as dirt, bugs, and debris seems to โ€œfloatโ€ right off quite easily. You do want to avoid anything with Ammonia in it, such as some window cleaners, since ammonia will remove the Red Max Pro (think โ€œfloor stripperโ€). The tire cleaner spray at coin-op carwashes has also been shown to remove RMP. Minor scratches or blemishes in the RMP finish can be touched up easily with a quick coat or two of RMP. Do not apply wax, as wax will interfere with any โ€œtouch-upโ€ coats of Red Max Pro later on down the road, causing them to peel or flake.

And after 6 months to a year, if the finish starts to lose itโ€™s shine, just give the RV a good wash job, let dry completely, and then give the RV a quick touch-up coat or two of RMP, wiping it on just as you did originally.

Disclaimer: This procedure worked wonders on my weathered, oxidized RV, using the products and steps listed above, and I have no regrets. Hundreds, if not thousands, of others have also used RMP with similar results. A very few reports have surfaced claiming "yellowing" or "peeling", but most, if not all, of those have been attributed to improper surface prep. However, these products are admittedly not designed or marketed for use on the exterior of RVs, and I make no warranty regarding their use or the long-term effects on your RV. Use at your own risk.

A few final notes:

Some people have voiced concerns about the chemicals used in the prep stages. Bar Keeperโ€™s Friend (BKF) is similar to scouring powder, but much less abrasive. In fact, it is made for cleaning and polishing fiberglass. Used with the fine white 3M scouring pads, it is excellent for removing stains, oxidation, and chalkiness from fiberglass gelcoat without scratching.

Trisodium Phosphate (TSP) is indeed a very strong cleaner. While it works very well to remove wax from the RV, it can burn if mixed too strong or left on your skin too long. If you are not comfortable with the TSP, some have reported good luck using Dawn dish soap to remove the wax.

Ultimately, neither of these products (BKF, TSP) are required. What is required is to remove all stains, soiling, oxidation, chalkiness, and wax from the surface of your RV prior to applying Red Max Pro, and to make sure that it is rinsed well to remove any residue of what you DO use. Whatever methods you are comfortable with are fine, as long as they accomplish that.


If your RV still looks good, and still shines...then use a good quality wax. But if your RV has deteriorated and you are looking for a way to breathe new life into it, RMP is an option for you. Go ahead, Google it. Read up on it. Read about those who have actually used it. Then make your decision.
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Bunklash
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What a great post. Thanks 4X4van. I've been worrying on this for the last two years. This year the love bugs were horribly bad on the front cap, but now I know what I'm gonna do.

BTW, I didn't read all the replys, so forgive me if I'm repeating somebody else, but Lowes now carrys what looks like the full line of ZEP products. The Wet Look Floor Treatment was $24.95 for a gallon.
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RayJayco
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Is this just for fiberglass or will it work on aluminum also? If not, what would be suggested for aluminum? Thanks.
Inquiring minds want to know...

frankharwood
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There are some pretty smart people out there with creative ways to solve problems. Thanks for the posts on the "Cab-over" issue.
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Scott___Jill
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Raist11 wrote:
So I'm thinking about tackling this on our '90 Empress. I've seen people mention in passing the idea of this polish yellowing like typical floor polish, over time. Possibly quickly due to sunlight. But I haven't seen anyone outright say it won't.. or that it will. Can someone who has used this stuff confirm how it looks after a year or a couple or few years?

Thanks

I have put RM on two years ago and it is not yellowing it sits out side in the sun and all day and it is still keeping a shine I live in Las Vegas so it would be safe to say that it works pretty good. The only problem Iโ€™m having is on the decals it is starting to peel but I think that is due to the age of the decals. Itโ€™s hard to get them cleaned up for the RM to stick. But everything else looks good.
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I have put RM on 2 years ago and still look good except where the decals are I know that I cleaned them well before I applied RM so I think it is the age of the decals?
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larry cad wrote:
Raist11 wrote:
So I'm thinking about tackling this on our '90 Empress. I've seen people mention in passing the idea of this polish yellowing like typical floor polish, over time. Possibly quickly due to sunlight. But I haven't seen anyone outright say it won't.. or that it will. Can someone who has used this stuff confirm how it looks after a year or a couple or few years?

Thanks


My experience as of today, one year later and still clear and shiny.



Mine has been on for over two years. One side done with Poli Glow(three years ago)and the other with Red Max(over two years ago) and both still look clear with no yellowing. My Moho is a off white color though but it looks like it did when waxed.
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Raist11 wrote:
So I'm thinking about tackling this on our '90 Empress. I've seen people mention in passing the idea of this polish yellowing like typical floor polish, over time. Possibly quickly due to sunlight. But I haven't seen anyone outright say it won't.. or that it will. Can someone who has used this stuff confirm how it looks after a year or a couple or few years?

Thanks


My experience as of today, one year later and still clear and shiny.
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pkunk
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No yellowing over the past 1 1/2 yrs. I did get some flaking due to some window cleaner that had ammonia in it. Simple fix-strip area with ammonia & re-apply RMP.
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Raist11
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So I'm thinking about tackling this on our '90 Empress. I've seen people mention in passing the idea of this polish yellowing like typical floor polish, over time. Possibly quickly due to sunlight. But I haven't seen anyone outright say it won't.. or that it will. Can someone who has used this stuff confirm how it looks after a year or a couple or few years?

Thanks

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I would like everyone for all of the great suggestions. I am going to try some of them this summer when I do an extensive cleaning. It sounds like you all know how to keep your rig shining. Happy trails.

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This one over at http://www.fiberglassrv.com isn't hard to fine: Check this out NOT Poliglow...Time will tell... The thread has been running since 07-24-2010, 03:52 PM, consist of 608 posts on 44 pages, with the last post being on 04-15-2013, 06:14 PM. Those guys know how to keep a thread running when it concerns keeping their rigs looking good using a good floor polish! You should thank them, I think they perfected this over there!
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Instead of using a microfiber cloth, I used a piece of an old worn out flannel sheet folded into a pad and a spray bottle. Be careful that you do not get any overspray on your glasses.:B
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The Bar Keepers Friend did not work on my motorhome (2002 Itasca Suncruiser) I had to use Soft Scrub with Bleach and really scrub. I had a lot of oxidation. I'm still working on it.
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atfulldraw
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larry cad wrote:


I guess that should have been included in the written instructions.....................oh, wait....................:B


oh, I see it now! :B

the results are totally worth it - that sucker shines like a new penny in the sun!!
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atfulldraw wrote:
whew!

that was a long, long day, and I'm not done yet.

I'll be spending a couple of hours peeling this stuff off my hands ๐Ÿ™‚ guess I should have worn gloves.....



I guess that should have been included in the written instructions.....................oh, wait....................:B
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