Need carrying capacity explaned

wilpower wrote:

steveownby wrote:
The reg that limited drive axles to 20k was changed by congress last year to 23k for motor coaches. The total limit for a drive/tag combo remains 34k. This was the reg for the federal bridge limits that most other agency regs are based on.

Nice to know, thanks!
But according to your figures, that coach is still "not legal" by 1K, 23K for drive, plus 12K for tag is 35K............:W

I was responding to you post which only concerned the drive axle. If you can load the tag to 12k without being way over weight on the steer axle then you have a point.

Thank all for such great information. I think I "got it".

Stuart

steveownby wrote:
The reg that limited drive axles to 20k was changed by congress last year to 23k for motor coaches. The total limit for a drive/tag combo remains 34k. This was the reg for the federal bridge limits that most other agency regs are based on.

Nice to know, thanks!
But according to your figures, that coach is still "not legal" by 1K, 23K for drive, plus 12K for tag is 35K............:W

wilpower wrote:
Should we open a whole 'nother can of worms, and talk about the "legality" of that 23K drive axle?? :)

The reg that limited drive axles to 20k was changed by congress last year to 23k for motor coaches. The total limit for a drive/tag combo remains 34k. This was the reg for the federal bridge limits that most other agency regs are based on.

Should we open a whole 'nother can of worms, and talk about the "legality" of that 23K drive axle?? :)

Interesting! In my search for a new MH I've started to take pictures of manufactures' price sheets and cargo capacity stickers. According to the Winnie stickers, "A full load of water equals 279 kg or 616 lbs of cargo @ 1kg/L (8.3 lb/gal) and the tongue weight of a towed trailer counts as cargo."

Thanks to this thread I now know that, at least to one manufacturer, a "full load" of water is fresh water only (74 gallons), with no water in the gray and black water tanks. If the gray water and two black water tanks (2014 Vista 35F) were full, that would add another 938 pounds.

Is there a standard format for cargo capacity stickers, or does each manufacturer report what it wants?

Be careful about making generalities as far as what constitutes "a full load of water". Almost every model Winnebago makes has a different size water tank. Our 01 Adventurer on the Ford chassis could carry 90 gallons when the water heater was included. The same model on a Workhorse chassis only held 70 galloons.

The Ford chassis had a GVWR of 20,500 lbs while the Workhorse was 18,000 lbs. The real kicker was that the Workhorse chassis was standard. If you wanted the Ford chassis you got a $179.00 reduction in price.

Chris F wrote:


Is there a standard format for cargo capacity stickers, or does each manufacturer report what it wants?

The one constant is water weighs 8.3#/gallon. Tank capacities vary by mfg and/or options installed....the fresh water tank capacity is not supposed to exceed the combined capacities of the black and grey tanks...Dennis

Gadget Guy wrote:

wny_pat wrote:

Gadget Guy wrote:
A lot will disagree with me but I want to be able to legally carry:
a) full water tank
c) full gray tank
d) full black tank

Why do you want a full gray tank, a full black tank, and a full fresh water tank??? I want a full water tank and both black and gray tanks to be empty. And as the fresh water goes down, the black and grey water go up. When you add fresh water, you empty your waste black and grey water tanks. The load balances out much better that way! AND if you fresh water tank is full, and the waste water tanks are full, I can't use my fresh water!!! What good is that??

If you dry camp like we do, we make it a habit of always bringing back our bladder full of fresh water anytime we take the truck anywhere so it can happen that we end up with all three tanks full. It has not happened very often but I want to be legal regardless of the situation. I should add that when we move I carry a 2 up four wheeler in the back of the truck so I cannot leave the bladder in the back of the truck and I hate to waste fresh water so I don't like to pour it out on the ground.

Interesting! In my search for a new MH I've started to take pictures of manufactures' price sheets and cargo capacity stickers. According to the Winnie stickers, "A full load of water equals 279 kg or 616 lbs of cargo @ 1kg/L (8.3 lb/gal) and the tongue weight of a towed trailer counts as cargo."

Thanks to this thread I now know that, at least to one manufacturer, a "full load" of water is fresh water only (74 gallons), with no water in the gray and black water tanks. If the gray water and two black water tanks (2014 Vista 35F) were full, that would add another 938 pounds.

Is there a standard format for cargo capacity stickers, or does each manufacturer report what it wants?

At a rally when we had all four corners weighed, loaded as we travel, the report given to us listed our CCW remaining based on axle ratings, GCWR, etc. The plate on our MH lists CCW of 5595# as shipped from the factory.

wny_pat wrote:

Gadget Guy wrote:
A lot will disagree with me but I want to be able to legally carry:
a) full water tank
c) full gray tank
d) full black tank

Why do you want a full gray tank, a full black tank, and a full fresh water tank??? I want a full water tank and both black and gray tanks to be empty. And as the fresh water goes down, the black and grey water go up. When you add fresh water, you empty your waste black and grey water tanks. The load balances out much better that way! AND if you fresh water tank is full, and the waste water tanks are full, I can't use my fresh water!!! What good is that??

If you dry camp like we do, we make it a habit of always bringing back our bladder full of fresh water anytime we take the truck anywhere so it can happen that we end up with all three tanks full. It has not happened very often but I want to be legal regardless of the situation. I should add that when we move I carry a 2 up four wheeler in the back of the truck so I cannot leave the bladder in the back of the truck and I hate to waste fresh water so I don't like to pour it out on the ground.