Streets&Trips Alternatives

[CA_Traveler]

I have S&T 2013 and use it for planning. Easy to use to get routes and mileage and I use a Garmin for navigation.

Since 2013 is the last year of this discontinued product what is a good alternative? I know it will be good for years to come but want to consider alternatives.

[GordonThree]

Johno02 wrote:
Our new Nuvi is good for the same reasons, but if you are lost at night,in the rain, when you can't see the road signs, IF any, the Nuvi will lead you into trouble every time!

Oh boy is that true... even without darkness or rain, both my Nuvi and Google Navigator (android) led me down a road that quickly turned into an un-maintained forest service two track.

These things are at the mercy of sometimes small / unskilled data source providers. In my case, the road was in the county plat book, but the county never actually developed it into a proper road, nor did they bother to clarify it was unimproved when they sold the data to Google and Garmin.

[CA_Traveler]

GordonThree wrote:
Where are folks traveling that there's all this trouble with new roads? I'm rather new when it comes to trailering, with a paltry 20,000 miles under my belt, or should I say wheels? I use the ancient 2013 version of S&T all the time and haven't once been surprised by a road that that didn't exist or didn't go where it was supposed to.

Major highways rarely change in my experience. But roads do change like becoming one way or a pedestrian mall.

New housing area is another possibility and the Delorme posts seem to suggest that those roads were maybe 10 years old and not on the maps.

One year I was headed up CA 99 and my old map Garmin 750 said I was off route at a newer intersection where 99 had been shifted some.

If you ever go up I17 from Phoenix you reach a point where S&T 2013 takes you off of I17. I posted that problem and the conclusion was a S&T bug. Try routing from Phoenix to Flagstaff.

[fj12ryder]

tenbear wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:

tenbear wrote:
I have not been able to find the "save as" function in Delorme. If you have found it perhaps you could tell me where it is.

Sure, I'm running Delorme SA 2010 but I think 2008 was the same, I only update every couple years.

At the bottom of the open map there are the tabs: Map Files,Find, Print, etc. Click on the "Map Files" tab, then the "File" button. This will open the menu that includes: New, Open, Save, Save as, etc.

Hope this helps. Here's a pic that may help.

Thank you, I'm embarrassed that I wasn't able to find it. One less thing I have to learn. :B

Well, they don't make it easy to find, that's for sure. Glad I was able to help.

[Johno02]

I use the online maps whenever, but I really like having the data files loaded on my machine, or whatever. Online maps are the best IF you have internet or wireless access. Without, they are worthless. Our new Nuvi is good for the same reasons, but if you are lost at night,in the rain, when you can't see the road signs, IF any, the Nuvi will lead you into trouble every time!

[tenbear]

fj12ryder wrote:

tenbear wrote:
I have not been able to find the "save as" function in Delorme. If you have found it perhaps you could tell me where it is.

Sure, I'm running Delorme SA 2010 but I think 2008 was the same, I only update every couple years.

At the bottom of the open map there are the tabs: Map Files,Find, Print, etc. Click on the "Map Files" tab, then the "File" button. This will open the menu that includes: New, Open, Save, Save as, etc.

Hope this helps. Here's a pic that may help.

Thank you, I'm embarrassed that I wasn't able to find it. One less thing I have to learn. :B

[fj12ryder]

I just visited their website and it doesn't actually say that the maps are updated. It just says that it's new for 2015, which it could be referring to new businesses listed, or updated telephone numbers. Not fraud per se, but could definitely be called deceptive advertising.

[GordonThree]

Where are folks traveling that there's all this trouble with new roads? I'm rather new when it comes to trailering, with a paltry 20,000 miles under my belt, or should I say wheels? I use the ancient 2013 version of S&T all the time and haven't once been surprised by a road that that didn't exist or didn't go where it was supposed to.

[fj12ryder]

tenbear wrote:
I have not been able to find the "save as" function in Delorme. If you have found it perhaps you could tell me where it is.

Sure, I'm running Delorme SA 2010 but I think 2008 was the same, I only update every couple years.

At the bottom of the open map there are the tabs: Map Files,Find, Print, etc. Click on the "Map Files" tab, then the "File" button. This will open the menu that includes: New, Open, Save, Save as, etc.

Hope this helps. Here's a pic that may help.

[tenbear]

CA Traveler wrote:

tenbear wrote:
All mapping programs have a 2, or so, year cycle to update their maps. I really don't know how long it takes Delorme to update their maps. I live in the boonies and not much changes around here. I guess I'll find out how long it takes.

Some of the posts imply much longer periods. And apparently Delorme responded that they weren't updating the maps or similar words.

The impression I was left with is that Delorme can't justify the maintenance costs but I could be reading to much into the posts.

Interesting. That would imply that they brought out the 2015 version in an attempt to imply that the new version is somehow updated from the previous version. Would that be fraud???

[CA_Traveler]

tenbear wrote:
All mapping programs have a 2, or so, year cycle to update their maps. I really don't know how long it takes Delorme to update their maps. I live in the boonies and not much changes around here. I guess I'll find out how long it takes.

Some of the posts imply much longer periods. And apparently Delorme responded that they weren't updating the maps or similar words.

The impression I was left with is that Delorme can't justify the maintenance costs but I could be reading to much into the posts.

[tenbear]

fj12ryder wrote:

tenbear wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
Delorme has POI's but I'm not sure to what you're referring.

Did you mean saving to a different format, such as .gpx, when you referred to not having a "Save as" function?

I was referring to saving a file (map) with a different name. That way I could modify the map without losing the original or starting from scratch. Most Windows programs have this function.

Yes Delorme has some POIs but S & T has many more and of different types.

Okay I see. Yes Delorme has the "Save as" function which will allow you to save a map with a different name. You can open a previously saved map, edit it, and then save it with a different name so you don't overwrite the original.

Truth be told, I've never paid much attention to the POI's available, so I can't comment much on that.

I have not been able to find the "save as" function in Delorme. If you have found it perhaps you could tell me where it is.

[fj12ryder]

tenbear wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
Delorme has POI's but I'm not sure to what you're referring.

Did you mean saving to a different format, such as .gpx, when you referred to not having a "Save as" function?

I was referring to saving a file (map) with a different name. That way I could modify the map without losing the original or starting from scratch. Most Windows programs have this function.

Yes Delorme has some POIs but S & T has many more and of different types.

Okay I see. Yes Delorme has the "Save as" function which will allow you to save a map with a different name. You can open a previously saved map, edit it, and then save it with a different name so you don't overwrite the original.

Truth be told, I've never paid much attention to the POI's available, so I can't comment much on that.

[tenbear]

CA Traveler wrote:
I haven't used Street Atlas but from posts on their forums it's been many years since the maps have been updated other than some minor updates. Food for thought.

All mapping programs have a 2, or so, year cycle to update their maps. I really don't know how long it takes Delorme to update their maps. I live in the boonies and not much changes around here. I guess I'll find out how long it takes.

[tenbear]

fj12ryder wrote:
Delorme has POI's but I'm not sure to what you're referring.

Did you mean saving to a different format, such as .gpx, when you referred to not having a "Save as" function?

I was referring to saving a file (map) with a different name. That way I could modify the map without losing the original or starting from scratch. Most Windows programs have this function.

Yes Delorme has some POIs but S & T has many more and of different types.