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Dutchman_31
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I have a 2004 class C Dutchman motor home. It currently has an an oem adjustable antenna on the roof and an analog TV. We are replacing the tv with a digital. What would be your recommendation to obtain a digital signal for use with this tv? Thanks in advance.
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wa8yxm
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Explorer III
ron.dittmer wrote:
I strongly lean toward the reason to go digital was primarily done for consumer entertainment benefit and growth of the economy. The opening up of those frequencies for 2-way communication was right behind it. A win/win except for a select few people like me and dodge_guy where our reception at home suffered.


Well the reason I lean toward the industry wanting a fresh new cash cow is Multi fold.. One, Even a small digital TV is a hundred bucks, and I used to get CRT's in that price class for half that. And a good TV can easily last 10 years or more, so by making all those old CRT's obsolete, Major cash cow.

Second: I too heard about the opening up of the VHF band for other services.. IN fact the rumor is the FCC has already sold off much of the spectrum.. BUT TV STATIONS ARE STILL USING IT.. Even VHF low is still in use in some areas.. The FCC has not forced them to upgrade the transmitter,, Modulator yes, transmitter no.
Home was where I park it. but alas the.
2005 Damon Intruder 377 Alas declared a total loss
after a semi "nicked" it. Still have the radios
Kenwood TS-2000, ICOM ID-5100, ID-51A+2, ID-880 REF030C most times

dodge_guy
Explorer II
Explorer II
zekegb wrote:
We redid our TV & stuff in our motorhome. Went with a Samsung 32", Samsun Blue Ray disc player, and Jack antenna. Used the Jack antenna once so far and the reception for broadcast stations was super.

Sometimes I think every time we try for TV is an adventure. But it is better with the new equipment.


Yep, in the past few years I`ve given up trying the TV unless we have cable hookup. We don`t need TV, but it is nice to be able to check the weather or news every once in a while! or watch a race or some sports playoff game when we can.
Wife Kim
Son Brandon 17yrs
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zekegb
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We redid our TV & stuff in our motorhome. Went with a Samsung 32", Samsun Blue Ray disc player, and Jack antenna. Used the Jack antenna once so far and the reception for broadcast stations was super.

Sometimes I think every time we try for TV is an adventure. But it is better with the new equipment.

wa8yxm
Explorer III
Explorer III
dodge guy wrote:


This explanation does make the most sense so far. Crazy!


Thank you, I do my research and sometimes I get it right :).

This I do know.. I like the studio monitor quality when it works.
Home was where I park it. but alas the.
2005 Damon Intruder 377 Alas declared a total loss
after a semi "nicked" it. Still have the radios
Kenwood TS-2000, ICOM ID-5100, ID-51A+2, ID-880 REF030C most times

Dutch_12078
Explorer II
Explorer II
I hope everyone is aware that digital TV is not unique to the US, or even North America for that matter. Virtually every country in the world has either transitioned to digital TV or will be switching, including some that made the switch well before the US did.

List of digital television deployments by country
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dodge_guy
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Explorer II
ron.dittmer wrote:
I work at Motorola Solutions, the company who makes communication equipment for the military, police forces, fire fighters, businesses, etc.

I recalled the hype around the office over going digital for TVs, the abandoned UHF and VHF frequency bands would be opened up for communication purposes. I am not sure that was the primary reason or just the resulting benefit to our industry. After 9/11 lots of things got changed up to help with national security, and maybe this was one area of change for that reason.

I strongly lean toward the reason to go digital was primarily done for consumer entertainment benefit and growth of the economy. The opening up of those frequencies for 2-way communication was right behind it. A win/win except for a select few people like me and dodge_guy where our reception at home suffered.


I heard this also. I certainly hope it wasn't for communication in an emergency?!!! Anyone relying on OTA signal is in trouble!
Wife Kim
Son Brandon 17yrs
Daughter Marissa 16yrs
Dog Bailey

12 Forest River Georgetown 350TS Hellwig sway bars, BlueOx TrueCenter stabilizer

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A bad day camping is
better than a good day at work!

dodge_guy
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Explorer II
wa8yxm wrote:
dodge guy wrote:
I still don`t know why they went to digital, never really heard a good reason for it!


That one I can answer and what's more I can answer it twice.

First: The government (FCC) required it.. But what is likely is the FCC requirement was put in place at the request of the industry. (The only way to do something where everybody does it at one time and not get hit with a "Collusion" charge is to make it a government requirement).

NOW: the official reasons as to why: With Digital each broadcast channel can carry 2,3,4 or more (I have seen 5 and I think 6) Layers of programming (Gets a bit low quality after 3 or 4) so more channels fit into less spectrum.. The FCC thus encourages stations to abandoned the VHF bands and the FCC wishes to re-sell that space to other services... Also since the broadcasters in many cases reduced their power (You do not need nearly as much push with digital, I will explain) there is a tremendous savings in electricity.. Some stations were hundreds of thousands of watts, now around 30-50 thousand.

The explanation: I work both digital and analog with my ham radios.. The same transmitter and antenna and freqauency band, VOICE (Analog) SSB (more effective than AM which is what analog tv (picture) was) I can work most of the US most of the time. Digital.. I cut it down to 30-40 watts and work most of the world most of the time.

THE REAL REASON (in my not very humble opinion) they changed.
TV sales were slowing as more and more homes already had one.. So the cash cow was drying up.. of course the old analog only TV's do not do ATSC digital video, so now that the world (Well country) has gone digital everybody had to go out and buy a new over priced Flat Screen TV.

More electrical savings as these things take way less electricity than the old CRT jobs. and of course. A nice fresh new cash cow for the industry to milk.


This explanation does make the most sense so far. Crazy!
Wife Kim
Son Brandon 17yrs
Daughter Marissa 16yrs
Dog Bailey

12 Forest River Georgetown 350TS Hellwig sway bars, BlueOx TrueCenter stabilizer

13 Ford Explorer Roadmaster Stowmaster 5000, VIP Tow>
A bad day camping is
better than a good day at work!

ron_dittmer
Explorer II
Explorer II
I work at Motorola Solutions, the company who makes communication equipment for the military, police forces, fire fighters, businesses, etc.

I recalled the hype around the office over going digital for TVs, the abandoned UHF and VHF frequency bands would be opened up for communication purposes. I am not sure that was the primary reason or just the resulting benefit to our industry. After 9/11 lots of things got changed up to help with national security, and maybe this was one area of change for that reason.

I strongly lean toward the reason to go digital was primarily done for consumer entertainment benefit and growth of the economy. The opening up of those frequencies for 2-way communication was right behind it. A win/win except for a select few people like me and dodge_guy where our reception at home suffered.

wa8yxm
Explorer III
Explorer III
dodge guy wrote:
I still don`t know why they went to digital, never really heard a good reason for it!


That one I can answer and what's more I can answer it twice.

First: The government (FCC) required it.. But what is likely is the FCC requirement was put in place at the request of the industry. (The only way to do something where everybody does it at one time and not get hit with a "Collusion" charge is to make it a government requirement).

NOW: the official reasons as to why: With Digital each broadcast channel can carry 2,3,4 or more (I have seen 5 and I think 6) Layers of programming (Gets a bit low quality after 3 or 4) so more channels fit into less spectrum.. The FCC thus encourages stations to abandoned the VHF bands and the FCC wishes to re-sell that space to other services... Also since the broadcasters in many cases reduced their power (You do not need nearly as much push with digital, I will explain) there is a tremendous savings in electricity.. Some stations were hundreds of thousands of watts, now around 30-50 thousand.

The explanation: I work both digital and analog with my ham radios.. The same transmitter and antenna and freqauency band, VOICE (Analog) SSB (more effective than AM which is what analog tv (picture) was) I can work most of the US most of the time. Digital.. I cut it down to 30-40 watts and work most of the world most of the time.

THE REAL REASON (in my not very humble opinion) they changed.
TV sales were slowing as more and more homes already had one.. So the cash cow was drying up.. of course the old analog only TV's do not do ATSC digital video, so now that the world (Well country) has gone digital everybody had to go out and buy a new over priced Flat Screen TV.

More electrical savings as these things take way less electricity than the old CRT jobs. and of course. A nice fresh new cash cow for the industry to milk.
Home was where I park it. but alas the.
2005 Damon Intruder 377 Alas declared a total loss
after a semi "nicked" it. Still have the radios
Kenwood TS-2000, ICOM ID-5100, ID-51A+2, ID-880 REF030C most times

FernandoSanders
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Explorer
Yes rightly said The existing antenna is designed to receive signals in the VHF-Low band, the VHF-HI band and the UHF band.and also many operators now offering internal antenna for motor homes but really not seen single one

dodge_guy
Explorer II
Explorer II
I just purchased a Jack antenna. I too went from all the major TV stations from Chicago to a few when they abandoned analog. I`m hoping this antenna will work as good as all the reviews I`ve read about it. I still don`t know why they went to digital, never really heard a good reason for it!
Wife Kim
Son Brandon 17yrs
Daughter Marissa 16yrs
Dog Bailey

12 Forest River Georgetown 350TS Hellwig sway bars, BlueOx TrueCenter stabilizer

13 Ford Explorer Roadmaster Stowmaster 5000, VIP Tow>
A bad day camping is
better than a good day at work!

ron_dittmer
Explorer II
Explorer II
Our house is in a valley with obstructing hills far off in every direction except westward. We are 40 miles from any broadcast antenna, about half way between Chicago and Rockford. Rockford is to our west with no obstructing hill, but our house being set low, line of sight is not quite there either.

In the analog days, with our huge analog antenna and high quality signal booster in the attic, we achieved decent Chicago broadcast reception. Not perfect reception, just decent. Some stations with almost no snow, some stations with some snow.

In 2009 when the country ended analog broadcasting, our reception was 100% gone. Scanning stations with our digital converter boxes yielded a big ZERO.

It was then that I learned that a digital antenna requires line-of-sight to the broadcast antenna so being in a valley is a hopeless condition.

Out of desperation I bought an antenna like THIS high gain digital antenna which did improve ZERO reception to a few stations, but with significant pixilation. We ended up pointing the antenna westward to Rockford where we got a few decent stations, but not enough to be satisfied. So we gave up on a lifetime of free TV and resorted to cable TV.

MY POINT HERE IS that the made-for-digital high gain antenna is better than the massive spanning old style analog type. The high gain digital antenna is quite small at around 3 feet in width, very easy to handle, easy to point, less influenced by winds and perching birds.

This is visually similar to my original analog antenna with a span of around 12 feet. It was a real beast to handle the few times I had to do some maintenance on it. Another problem with it was that pigeons liked to perch on it and their poop ruined our asphalt shingles. I think our analog antenna had a range rating of 35 miles.


This is similar to the high gain digital antenna I have on my house today that performed better, but still unsatisfactory for our particular circumstance. It's range rating is 70 miles, but digital requires line-of-sight to do it job.


It would make for an interesting experiment to modify a Winegard antenna to have my home digital antenna on it's scissor arms. For me the problem is that my a/c unit is in the way of cranking it down.

Redterpos3
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Last year was our first and I was figuring on buying a satellite dish because I wanted good reception. But I got a digital tv and tested it out, and was amazed by the digital signal! I now see why everything went digital. 'course in my mind were the days of the snow channel. I'd say try it out first and see how you will use your television. So far we've not needed anything else than what we can get through out batwing, but someday could see getting DISH. To each his own.
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westend
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I built the basic antenna from this original design and it picks up everything from 30 mi. distance to broadcast tower: Gray-Hoverman. I have it attached to a short mast, 4' or so above the roof line.
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