5 wheel and 1500 HD

[ceasare]

I have a 2006 chevy 1500 hd it has the 4.10 rear. I cant find specs on it with the 4.10 rear the 3.7373 has GVWR 8600, front axle 4410, rear axle 6000, payload 2838, max trailer 7,900. I thought I remember when I bought it that the max trailer was close to 10,000 with the 4.10 . Anyhow my question is how much 5 wheel can I tow? One that we were looking at is 27 feet, dry axle weight 5520, hitch weight 1258 unloaded weight 6832 cargo capacity 1420. Its a Rock wood 8244WS. So what are your thoughts? thanks as always

[CampingN_C_]

blt2ski wrote:
Obviously, some of you do not know, or remember WHAT a 1500HD was in this time frame......

GRAWR, 6000 lbs with 245-75-16 LR E tires, 8 lugs, c14 ra......same tires as the 2500HD with a 9200gvwr........
FA was around 3800-4200 lbs, also with 8 lugs, LR E tires.

Truck as noted, most weighed in the low 5000-5500 lbs range. Also had the 4l80E trans, 6.0 gas motor, unfortunately, rwd usually a 3.73, 4wd usually a 4.10.

PRE 2000 in ALL cab configs was a 2500, 01 to about 05, all reg and ext cabs, had a 2500 badge, crew cabs were badged 1500HD's...... I would have NO issues towing my 12K equipment trailer with this rig!

THIS truck is a typical 8 lug 25 series 8600 gvwr truck in a half ton ie 1500 badged sheeps clothing! it is NOT the 25 series BEN is talking about many years ago, nor is it as Donn is trying to imply, a light duty 25 series truck. This is a full meal deal 25 series rig!

Marty

Exactly!! As I said earlier there is very little differences between the two. This could very well be the most debated topic on this forum over the years, and I don't understand why.
Yes it's a 8600 gvwr truck. The same as all 2500's in the previous years. My 1999 K2500 Suburban was an 8600 truck as well.
Oh, and the same towing capacity too.

[blt2ski]

Obviously, some of you do not know, or remember WHAT a 1500HD was in this time frame......

GRAWR, 6000 lbs with 245-75-16 LR E tires, 8 lugs, c14 ra......same tires as the 2500HD with a 9200gvwr........
FA was around 3800-4200 lbs, also with 8 lugs, LR E tires.

Truck as noted, most weighed in the low 5000-5500 lbs range. Also had the 4l80E trans, 6.0 gas motor, unfortunately, rwd usually a 3.73, 4wd usually a 4.10.

PRE 2000 in ALL cab configs was a 2500, 01 to about 05, all reg and ext cabs, had a 2500 badge, crew cabs were badged 1500HD's...... I would have NO issues towing my 12K equipment trailer with this rig!

THIS truck is a typical 8 lug 25 series 8600 gvwr truck in a half ton ie 1500 badged sheeps clothing! it is NOT the 25 series BEN is talking about many years ago, nor is it as Donn is trying to imply, a light duty 25 series truck. This is a full meal deal 25 series rig!

Marty

[MFL]

kw/00 wrote:
I had an 02 1500HD, great truck and pulled 10K without an issue. Payload was around the 3K mark, and I pulled the current fiver I have now in my sig with it. As others have already stated its a regular 2500 marketed at the 1500HD.

Yes, they were capable trucks. Ford has had a few falsely badged 150s too. Like BenK mentioned, if folks would forget about the badges, and see the numbers for what they are.

In the OPs case, he clearly stated his numbers, and it was obvious the rig would be a good match. It only takes one poster to confuse things. Like I agreed, everyone is entitled to their opinion, that's what a forum is for.

I try to ignore a members post, that is not, and has not been making sense. He may have med issues, or other problems, causing the confusion, and I truly do wish him well.

I do think the OP had plenty of good response to answer his question.

Jerry

[kw_00]

I had an 02 1500HD, great truck and pulled 10K without an issue. Payload was around the 3K mark, and I pulled the current fiver I have now in my sig with it. As others have already stated its a regular 2500 marketed at the 1500HD.

[BenK]

All this emotion about Marketing Badges...'half ton'...as Marketing stuff is almost
meaningless

The OP's GVWR/F-R GAWR/etc has NOT changed and next year...the 1500HD might reference
a 7,400 GVWR 'half ton'

As my 1980 Silverado C10...AKA "half ton" of that day was the "HD" version with
a 6,200 GVWR. The regular "half ton" had a lower GVWR. Whereas the OPs
version of a 'HD' half ton is +8K GVWR

When asking an OP which half ton they are talking about...they switch to other
marketing nomenclature..."well, it is a CC, long bed and tow package", or "it
is the HD version"...or they count wheel lugs...

But, am alone in wishing folks abandon market badging and use the only real
metric to tell anyone/everyone which vehicle class they are talking about

[MFL]

donn0128 wrote:

MFL wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

donn0128 wrote:
No matter what you'll have minimum 1600 pounds pin weight. Which is going to push your trucks limits if you have more than driver and one passanger.

:h

Don't understand you statement, if OP has 2838# of payload, and the pin is 1,600#, that leaves 1,238# for other stuff, that is a lot of other stuff.!

To the OP.
2006, should have a yellow payload sticker on the drivers door pillar, did you get the 2,838# form that sticker? Well if you did, you should be able to safely tow the 5er you have posted.

Russ, donn0128 has not been making any sense. It is best to just ignore his weight related posts.

The OP has what is a 3/4 ton truck, going by his numbers.


Jerry

You know, it really is quite simple.
The 1500HD is a light duty 3/4 ton. Semi floating axles, smaller brakes, lower rated tires and wheels, weaker spring rates, weaker frame, etc.
That 2800 sticker number is for a bare bones no options truck with nothing on board. Add full tank of fuel, hitch couple of passengers plus the assundry junk people always tend to add and drive across the scales, the OP will be really lucky to have 1600 pounds of payload without exceeding his GVWR numbers. Of course he is more than welcome to ignore them. Its his privledge to do so. Your welcome to your opinions, just like I am. If you are offended by my posts, you are more than welcome to block my responses.

Yes, all members are entitled to their opinion. No I am not offended by you, and for that matter, wish you well!

I do not block other members, but rather just ignore their responses, when they are not making sense.

Have a great day!!

[donn0128]

MFL wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

donn0128 wrote:
No matter what you'll have minimum 1600 pounds pin weight. Which is going to push your trucks limits if you have more than driver and one passanger.

:h

Don't understand you statement, if OP has 2838# of payload, and the pin is 1,600#, that leaves 1,238# for other stuff, that is a lot of other stuff.!

To the OP.
2006, should have a yellow payload sticker on the drivers door pillar, did you get the 2,838# form that sticker? Well if you did, you should be able to safely tow the 5er you have posted.

Russ, donn0128 has not been making any sense. It is best to just ignore his weight related posts.

The OP has what is a 3/4 ton truck, going by his numbers.


Jerry

You know, it really is quite simple.
The 1500HD is a light duty 3/4 ton. Semi floating axles, smaller brakes, lower rated tires and wheels, weaker spring rates, weaker frame, etc.
That 2800 sticker number is for a bare bones no options truck with nothing on board. Add full tank of fuel, hitch couple of passengers plus the assundry junk people always tend to add and drive across the scales, the OP will be really lucky to have 1600 pounds of payload without exceeding his GVWR numbers. Of course he is more than welcome to ignore them. Its his privledge to do so. Your welcome to your opinions, just like I am. If you are offended by my posts, you are more than welcome to block my responses.

[dodge_guy]

NC Hauler wrote:
In 2006 a regular 2500 had a GVWR of 9200#, as opposed to the 1500 HD of 8600#...

And just to muddy things up here, the 1500HD had a GVWR of 8600 lbs to keep in compliance with OBDII regulations. Because anything 8601 and up was under HD emissions. Thus requiring different testing and compliance.

[NC_Hauler]

In 2006 a regular 2500 had a GVWR of 9200#, as opposed to the 1500 HD of 8600#...

[Tin_Pusher]

ceasare, see my sig. My Wilderness weighs in at about 7500 loaded, and my 02 1500HD handles it fine, at least in my part of the world. Not sure I'd wanna take on the Eisenhower with it, but otherwise, great trucks.

[dodge_guy]

ceasare wrote:
I want to thank everybody for their input. I bought the 1500 HD new in 2006 because I wanted a little extra when towing the trailer in my signature. It has been a fantastic truck.

You'll be fine with the trailer in question.

And remember. Part of what the trailer weighs will be carried in the truck! So your not towing the full loaded GVWR.

[ceasare]

I want to thank everybody for their input. I bought the 1500 HD new in 2006 because I wanted a little extra when towing the trailer in my signature. It has been a fantastic truck.

[JIMNLIN]

ceasare wrote:
I have a 2006 chevy 1500 hd it has the 4.10 rear. I cant find specs on it with the 4.10 rear the 3.7373 has GVWR 8600, front axle 4410, rear axle 6000, payload 2838, max trailer 7,900. I thought I remember when I bought it that the max trailer was close to 10,000 with the 4.10 . Anyhow my question is how much 5 wheel can I tow? One that we were looking at is 27 feet, dry axle weight 5520, hitch weight 1258 unloaded weight 6832 cargo capacity 1420. Its a Rock wood 8244WS. So what are your thoughts? thanks as always

I'll repost the OP question which is pretty simple with the truck and trailers numbers he supplied.

[BenK]

These 'fake half tons' have been there for a long time...as long as
buyers insist on only owning a half ton...even though their own
numbers indicate they should purchase the next higher class...

Dad insisted on only a half ton when the family station wagon which
served his mom'n pop grocery store was too small in volume for loads
from the slaughter house, produce mart and grocery wharehouse...so
Uncle Bill told me to order the 'fake half ton', which in 1980's era
offerings was the C15 Big Ten with a GVWR of 6,200 lbs...

That is today's 1500HDm, which now has a +8K GVWR....

Benk wrote:

The OP is talking about one of the lower class TVs and folks are trying to convince
the OP to look at the next higher class TV

Lowest to highest are

• Cars
• CUVs;;Half ton
• 3/4 ton
• 1 ton
• Commercial Class...AKA semi's
• Off Road construction 8' dia or larger tires
• Custom...one offs/etc

This goes back to something been trying to convey to folks, but marketing
trumps again...

Use their GVWR's, GAWR's and GCWR's

Just using marketing badging will have newbies looking at the +14 or so
models of half tons from Ford, GM (they don't have that many), RAM, etc


Expeditions are 'half ton' pickup truck derived. Newer has IRS, which
I'm not sold on for towing heavy...too many precision pivots that
are subject to wear and tear

Even the OP is mixed up thinking that the Suburban only has one class...it
has two classes. Lower class is in the same as his Expedition...even
the stretched version. Then the next higher class 3/4 ton. A 7K GVWR
vs 8K GVWR. A +4K RGAWR vs +6K RGAWR

Once I hear 'ride quality' and 'MPG' desired on their have to have list...give
up and leave them in the half ton class...when they need or should have
the next higher class TV

That is where the OEMs produce the 'fake half ton'...for them, but am
noticing that the OEMs no longer offer that fake half ton...models come
and go with that 8K GVWR fake half ton...