5 wheel and 1500 HD

[ceasare]

I have a 2006 chevy 1500 hd it has the 4.10 rear. I cant find specs on it with the 4.10 rear the 3.7373 has GVWR 8600, front axle 4410, rear axle 6000, payload 2838, max trailer 7,900. I thought I remember when I bought it that the max trailer was close to 10,000 with the 4.10 . Anyhow my question is how much 5 wheel can I tow? One that we were looking at is 27 feet, dry axle weight 5520, hitch weight 1258 unloaded weight 6832 cargo capacity 1420. Its a Rock wood 8244WS. So what are your thoughts? thanks as always

[CampingN_C_]

It always confused me too, what GM was doing with model names and the years they did it. My 2500HD was a 2005, the OP's 1500HD is a 2006. So in 06 you could get a 2500HD or a 1500HD?? Why in the world would they offer both with very little differences? :h
Honestly I didn't think the 1500HD went that late into the 90's.

[v10superduty]

mkirsch wrote:
The 1500HD *IS* a 3/4 ton truck.

A light duty 3/4 ton, but a 3/4 ton nonetheless. 8-bolt hubs (on a semi-floating axle unfortunately), 8600lb GVWR, 6084lb RAWR.

It is a far more capable truck than a 1/2 ton, but far from a "tow anything" truck.

Isn't it interesting how the manufacturers manipulate the model designation of their trucks? :W
There was a thread a couple weeks back about a Ford F450 pickup model. Caused some guys got so fired up cause Ford was "cheating and being deceptive" designating it as a 450!!
I think thread got deleted.

As I recall, this HD1500 (more truthfully--light 2500) series came out when Ford came out with the F150 crewcab "Supercrew"
GM had customers coming in wanting a 1/2 ton crewcab, didn't want no 3/4 ton; so now they could "offer" a 1/2 ton to the unknowing.. :W

Or when Ford first came out with the HD F150 with the 7 lug wheels back in I think 1997 or 98. The first version they called an F250. So we had the old style cab "true" F250 and this "imposter" F250 both available at same time. They eventually called it a HD F150.
As a salesman, trying to explain that to a customer was tricky to not look like a "lying" salesman :S
The way to do it was know your numbers on both GVW, GCWR, and all and be knowledgeable.
I know, I know... Doesn't happen much in real life. :W

So you guys who were so upset (come on out, you know who you are :B) on that F450 story, what do you think of this one?
Is/was GM cheating when they called a 3/4 ton a 1500?
Was Ford cheating when they called a HD F150 an F250?

Or is it just marketing and they can call it whatever they want?

[JIMNLIN]

ceasare wrote:
I have a 2006 chevy 1500 hd it has the 4.10 rear. I cant find specs on it with the 4.10 rear the 3.7373 has GVWR 8600, front axle 4410, rear axle 6000, payload 2838, max trailer 7,900. I thought I remember when I bought it that the max trailer was close to 10,000 with the 4.10 . Anyhow my question is how much 5 wheel can I tow? One that we were looking at is 27 feet, dry axle weight 5520, hitch weight 1258 unloaded weight 6832 cargo capacity 1420. Its a Rock wood 8244WS. So what are your thoughts? thanks as always

As some are saying your 1500HD is the old 3/4 ton truck.
The wife is looking at one as we speak.
It has the 8600 GVWR chassis ....14 bolt 6000 RAWR with 4.10 gears.....6.0 engine......4L80E tranny....10300 lb tow rating ....E rated tires and wheels. GM says some have up to 3195 lb payloads depending on truck configuration.
These trucks can weigh in the 2600-2700 lb range on the rear axle which leaves around 3200-3300 lbs for a payload. The '06 may have a GVWR based payload on the tire sticker. Either may be used safely.

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Your trailer has a 6832 dry plus a 1420 ccc = 8250 GVWR. Pin weight can run 20 percent of gross weight which can be 1600 lbs at max. Now add 200 lb for a hitch = 1800. Now add 200 lbs other gear and 400 lbs for occupants = 2400 lbs.
Actual numbers come from actual scale weights. If your worried about going over the 6000 RAWR or a tire placard payload number I would weigh the trucks front and rear axles separately. That way you will know the exact weights.
You have plenty of truck for that size trailer.

[APT]

I'd say around 6k dry would be comfortable weight for power and handling.

[CampingN_C_]

In those generation trucks the transmission was always the limiting factor, the 4L80e. Even the duallys with the 454's through the 90's were around 10K towing back then.
I towed right around 9K with (almost) the exact same truck and it did well. Yes you have a true 3/4 ton truck as I'm sure you already knew but many on here still like to refer to it as a 1/2 ton.
I'll think you'll be fine with that combo depending on terrain. Expect 6-8 mpg towing.

[mkirsch]

The 1500HD *IS* a 3/4 ton truck.

A light duty 3/4 ton, but a 3/4 ton nonetheless. 8-bolt hubs (on a semi-floating axle unfortunately), 8600lb GVWR, 6084lb RAWR.

It is a far more capable truck than a 1/2 ton, but far from a "tow anything" truck.

As I recall, tow capacity with the 4.10 gears is 10,000lbs. That will really be your practical limit because the pin loaded weights on 5th wheels at that size will be pushing 2000lbs. Add a hitch, you, and a couple passengers, and that ~2800lb payload is pretty much gone.

[fla-gypsy]

2006 C-1500 HD (2WD)* 6.0L

4.10= 10,300 max trailer

GCWR= 16,000

[MFL]

rhagfo wrote:

donn0128 wrote:
No matter what you'll have minimum 1600 pounds pin weight. Which is going to push your trucks limits if you have more than driver and one passanger.

:h

Don't understand you statement, if OP has 2838# of payload, and the pin is 1,600#, that leaves 1,238# for other stuff, that is a lot of other stuff.!

To the OP.
2006, should have a yellow payload sticker on the drivers door pillar, did you get the 2,838# form that sticker? Well if you did, you should be able to safely tow the 5er you have posted.

Russ, donn0128 has not been making any sense. It is best to just ignore his weight related posts.

The OP has what is a 3/4 ton truck, going by his numbers.

You should not have a problem carrying the pin wt of the FW in question, even if loaded to the FW GVWR. You likely have the 6.0 engine, and with the 4.10 gearing, you should have power to pull it as well.

If unsure of payload, or axle wts, it is always best to weigh the truck, camp ready, full of fuel, gear, and passengers.

IMO, this truck, and FW is going to work.

Jerry

[valhalla360]

Double check your numbers but if the unloaded weight is 6800 and cargo capaicty is 1400, that means you are looking at a fully loaded weight of 8200 which exceeds your 7900 tow rating.

Pin weight probably is OK assuming you don't load up a few hundred lbs of fire wood or other stuff in the truck bed.

If you are careful with keeping the truck and trailer lightly loaded, you can probably stay under weight but if you didn't already have the truck, I would tell you to move up to a 3/4 ton and you may find it's still a nice upgrade when you consider the bigger brakes and stiffer suspension.

Should work but you are flirting with the limits.

[rhagfo]

donn0128 wrote:
No matter what you'll have minimum 1600 pounds pin weight. Which is going to push your trucks limits if you have more than driver and one passanger.

:h

Don't understand you statement, if OP has 2838# of payload, and the pin is 1,600#, that leaves 1,238# for other stuff, that is a lot of other stuff.!

To the OP.
2006, should have a yellow payload sticker on the drivers door pillar, did you get the 2,838# form that sticker? Well if you did, you should be able to safely tow the 5er you have posted.

[rhagfo]

SouthpawHD wrote:
Found a manual if that helps

http://www.silveradosierra.com/download/chevrolet/silverado/owners_manual/2006_chevrolet_silverado_owners.pdf

Link

[SouthpawHD]

Found a manual if that helps

http://www.silveradosierra.com/download/chevrolet/silverado/owners_manual/2006_chevrolet_silverado_owners.pdf

[donn0128]

No matter what you'll have minimum 1600 pounds pin weight. Which is going to push your trucks limits if you have more than driver and one passanger.