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And Texas Caves In

DallasSteve
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Nomad
The last bastion of sanity has jumped on the "stay at home" bandwagon. They just sent me an email that they have closed all state parks to save the 1% who may die from the dreaded super virus. Texas was once a great state.
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wnjj
Explorer II
Explorer II
ford truck guy wrote:
" Their Side " ?? :h

SO this virus IS IN FACT a political virus,?? I had no idea....

and here I thought we were all in tis together ??


Not everything with "sides" is political. There are clearly those who think we should do everything we can to save lives from the virus and there are those who think we should take less drastic action so as to save lives and livelihoods of others now and in the future.

ExxWhy
Explorer
Explorer
way2roll wrote:

How does one strike a "balance" about the number of people dying over the number of people losing their job? Is there a threshold or ratio you have in mind? You loosen controls to let people work, more people die. It's a sliding scale.



We as a society strike that balance all the time, weighing risk vs reward. There is a risk to waking up in the morning and we calculate that and deal with it.

When do you think businesses should reopen? What sort of criteria do you have in mind? Do we wait until zero cases? Do we wait for a potential vaccine?

Boon_Docker
Explorer III
Explorer III

TomG2
Explorer
Explorer
ford truck guy wrote:
" Their Side " ?? :h

SO this virus IS IN FACT a political virus,?? I had no idea....
and here I thought we were all in this together ??


It became political back in February when Doctors Trump and Limbaugh declared the whole thing a hoax. The press is trying to prove them wrong and there are liars on all sides.

" Their Side " ?? :h

and here I thought we were all in tis together ??
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Etstorm
Explorer
Explorer
Because then the โ€œ factsโ€ would not be on their side!

fj12ryder
Explorer III
Explorer III
way2roll wrote:
tommyznr wrote:
ford truck guy wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
ford truck guy wrote:
From Johns Hopkins -
NY:
city - 76,876 cases - 4009 deaths
Long Island - 16,610 cases - 500 deaths
West Chester - 14,804 cases- 283 deaths

Totals for NY - 93,760 confirmed - 4792 deaths... 5%


click
Honestly you need to quit posting percentages as they are meaningless unless you can quote the number of infected. Actual numbers of infected, not the numbers tested.





honestly, click on the attachment, I won't do your work for you. that click has everything you need... And if you don't like my posts, don't read them



It is not that you are posting the numbers, it is that the numbers are very limited in usefulness. The number of confirmed cases is essentially an arbitrary number which makes the 5% mortality rate useless.


Who cares about the rate? As of yesterday 13,000 of your fellow Americans are dead. The numbers keep climbing.
Then why did you post the percentage as if it mattered? The point is that if you consider the total number of people infected, not the number tested positive, but the total number of people infected, then the fatality rate starts to approach that of the flu.

And no one seems to get terribly upset with 50,000 dead from the flu. Why is that?
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TomG2
Explorer
Explorer
That's what makes the subject of this thread so obvious. Where better to separate ourselves than in State Parks? So, what do the politicians do?

I would rather take my chances parked fifty feet from total strangers in a state park than anywhere in my neighborhood. I am self contained, so don't need to share bathrooms or showers.

way2roll
Navigator II
Navigator II
tommyznr wrote:
ford truck guy wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
ford truck guy wrote:
From Johns Hopkins -
NY:
city - 76,876 cases - 4009 deaths
Long Island - 16,610 cases - 500 deaths
West Chester - 14,804 cases- 283 deaths

Totals for NY - 93,760 confirmed - 4792 deaths... 5%


click
Honestly you need to quit posting percentages as they are meaningless unless you can quote the number of infected. Actual numbers of infected, not the numbers tested.





honestly, click on the attachment, I won't do your work for you. that click has everything you need... And if you don't like my posts, don't read them



It is not that you are posting the numbers, it is that the numbers are very limited in usefulness. The number of confirmed cases is essentially an arbitrary number which makes the 5% mortality rate useless.


Who cares about the rate? As of yesterday 13,000 of your fellow Americans are dead. The numbers keep climbing.

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tommyznr
Explorer
Explorer
ford truck guy wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
ford truck guy wrote:
From Johns Hopkins -
NY:
city - 76,876 cases - 4009 deaths
Long Island - 16,610 cases - 500 deaths
West Chester - 14,804 cases- 283 deaths

Totals for NY - 93,760 confirmed - 4792 deaths... 5%


click
Honestly you need to quit posting percentages as they are meaningless unless you can quote the number of infected. Actual numbers of infected, not the numbers tested.





honestly, click on the attachment, I won't do your work for you. that click has everything you need... And if you don't like my posts, don't read them



It is not that you are posting the numbers, it is that the numbers are very limited in usefulness. The number of confirmed cases is essentially an arbitrary number which makes the 5% mortality rate useless.
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fj12ryder
Explorer III
Explorer III
ford truck guy wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
ford truck guy wrote:
From Johns Hopkins -
NY:
city - 76,876 cases - 4009 deaths
Long Island - 16,610 cases - 500 deaths
West Chester - 14,804 cases- 283 deaths

Totals for NY - 93,760 confirmed - 4792 deaths... 5%


click
Honestly you need to quit posting percentages as they are meaningless unless you can quote the number of infected. Actual numbers of infected, not the numbers tested.


honestly, click on the attachment, I won't do your work for you. that click has everything you need... And if you don't like my posts, don't read them
I don't dislike your posts, but you can't quote percentages unless you have real numbers. You're comparing against positive test results, not the actual number of infected. That is a huge difference. And the attachment can't show the number of actual infected because they don't know.

Show numbers if you wish, but eschew the percentages without firm data to work from.
Howard and Peggy

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way2roll
Navigator II
Navigator II
bid_time wrote:
6door74 wrote:
bid_time wrote:
6door74 wrote:
...Hopefully those suffering financially can find a way to recover and get back on their feet or just get things back in normal order (myself included). Bankruptcy hasn't stopped others from getting to the top. ๐Ÿ˜‰
That is the most crass statement I have read in the last 10 pages. 10 Million people lost there job in the last 2 Weeks. Let that sink in for a minute.


Hope you feel that way about the people who could care less about everyone else's health and complain about the effort to curb this.

My reply wasn't meant to be crass so I apologize if it came off that way. Like I said, I've been affected in this way as well. Thankfully not as much as others. There was some sarcasm for a specific situation at the end, and maybe it was in poor taste. For that I apologize as well. Bankruptcy isn't fun, can be devastating, and should be a last resort. However, it's not the end of the world, death is.
I donโ€™t think anyone โ€œcould care less about everyone else's health". People like me are very supportive of social distancing and other measures to fight coronavirus. We also will likely continue such measures well into the future. However, the fight against coronavirus is coming at a heavy economic cost. These costs can not be ignored. They can be deferred, but sooner or later they are going to inflict a heavy toll, especially to the less fortunate. And the longer the economic costs are deferred or given short shrift, the bigger and bigger the toll gets.
When I read your post, this is what it said to me: โ€œf*** those that lost their jobs (hope they find another one), but the only thing that matters is how many people dieโ€ โ€“ (even if they are old and have other serious medical condition and will probably die in 5 years anyways) โ€“ the last part is the add on that my mind immediately went to.
How many people die matters, but so do the 10 โ€“ 30 million people that lose their jobs. They also have a life to live, as do their wives and kids who are depending on them. There has to be balance, and I for one think people are not giving balance enough thought.


How does one strike a "balance" about the number of people dying over the number of people losing their job? Is there a threshold or ratio you have in mind? You loosen controls to let people work, more people die. It's a sliding scale.

This whole thing is unfortunate no matter which way you slice it. It's a global crisis beyond any in recent history. 2 very clear facts - 1 lots of people have and are going to die. 2, this is a wrecking ball through the global economy of which we haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg.

People do have control how they treat one another. And hopefully future administrations, not just locally but globally will bolster funding and preparedness. Because it's not a matter of if this happens again, it's when.

12,000 people dead yesterday in the US, up to 13,000 today. Cases and deaths are still climbing. When this reaches the apex, hopefully soon, that does not mean it's over. It just means curve starts down the other side - so more than double the numbers. But we aren't near the apex yet and no telling when we will be.

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bigred1cav
Explorer
Explorer
dodge guy wrote:
pitch wrote:
You guys are freakin amazing. Two months ago you were all economists or constitutional scholars. 45 short days later you all are infectious disease experts. How do ya do it?


Just goes to show how easy it is to become one! No college needed!!!!


It is easy just watch right wing fantasy news and listen to hate radio while reading bart

bid_time
Nomad II
Nomad II
6door74 wrote:
bid_time wrote:
6door74 wrote:
...Hopefully those suffering financially can find a way to recover and get back on their feet or just get things back in normal order (myself included). Bankruptcy hasn't stopped others from getting to the top. ๐Ÿ˜‰
That is the most crass statement I have read in the last 10 pages. 10 Million people lost there job in the last 2 Weeks. Let that sink in for a minute.


Hope you feel that way about the people who could care less about everyone else's health and complain about the effort to curb this.

My reply wasn't meant to be crass so I apologize if it came off that way. Like I said, I've been affected in this way as well. Thankfully not as much as others. There was some sarcasm for a specific situation at the end, and maybe it was in poor taste. For that I apologize as well. Bankruptcy isn't fun, can be devastating, and should be a last resort. However, it's not the end of the world, death is.
I donโ€™t think anyone โ€œcould care less about everyone else's health". People like me are very supportive of social distancing and other measures to fight coronavirus. We also will likely continue such measures well into the future. However, the fight against coronavirus is coming at a heavy economic cost. These costs can not be ignored. They can be deferred, but sooner or later they are going to inflict a heavy toll, especially to the less fortunate. And the longer the economic costs are deferred or given short shrift, the bigger and bigger the toll gets.
When I read your post, this is what it said to me: โ€œf*** those that lost their jobs (hope they find another one), but the only thing that matters is how many people dieโ€ โ€“ (even if they are old and have other serious medical condition and will probably die in 5 years anyways) โ€“ the last part is the add on that my mind immediately went to.
How many people die matters, but so do the 10 โ€“ 30 million people that lose their jobs. They also have a life to live, as do their wives and kids who are depending on them. There has to be balance, and I for one think people are not giving balance enough thought.

JRscooby
Explorer II
Explorer II
wnjj wrote:
jdc1 wrote:
Here's the math for the non-believers:
1 person infects three people while camping. Those three people each infect three others. Those 9 people each infect three others. Those 27 people each infect three others. Those 81 people each infect three others. Those 243 people each infect three others. Those 729 people each infect three others. Those 2,187 people each infect three others. That's 6,561 people infected in 8 days because one guy doesn't want to follow simple rules.

Oh. Out of the 6,562 infected people.....66 (1%) end up dying because the rules didn't suit him. Are you going to be one of the 66 dead people?

That makes a nice theoretical story but fortunately that rate of spread and death rate don't match reality. If you really believe it does, no wonder some of you are so outraged at those who would question authority.


Unless we test a large percentage of the population we will never know the real numbers. Early on, when S Korea started to test it was reported when no action was taken the number infected was doubling every 3 days.
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