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Can you really tow a fiver with a 1/2 ton?

rvdd
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Explorer
Jayco says these fifth wheels are "half-ton towable":

http://www.jayco.com/products/fifth-wheels/2017-eagle-ht-fifth-wheels/floorplans-and-prices/

They seem to all be < 10,000 lbs GVWR.

I'm looking at an F-150 with 5.5' bed and a tow rating of 10,700. Though an F-150 can go up to 11,600.

http://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/specifications/towing/

Is it insane to tow one of those fifth wheels with this truck? (Both in terms of bed length and towing capacity).

I plan on taking trips that involve many, many hours of driving, but need the truck to be a daily driver, so am trying to find a balance.
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Charley67
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Explorer
When I bought my first used 5th Wheel, I had a half ton swb Chevy, 350, auto. Dealer said, "Put you some air bags on it, and you'll be good to go. I hitched up to that 29 foot Starcraft and drove 40 miles on hilly terrain to a lake, then home again. The truck ran too hot for me to feel good about it, and it was not a pleasant drive. Before I made another camping trip, I bought a 2500 diesel and couldn't believe the difference. Half tons have more capabilities now days, but I'd look at everything very closely before getting into it.

time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
thomas201 wrote:
I was so right when I did my estimates on that camper, but so wrong in actual usage.
My story is about the same except I never turn off the air.... and I stuck with the F150.
Only real mod was going 4.10 ratio from 3.55

Usage is a lot of perception.

austingta
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Explorer
There is not that much difference in cost between a 1/2 to and a 3/4 ton truck. You would really notice the difference if you are anywhere close to the 1/2 ton's max weights. I had a 2015 F 150 Ecoboost that was rated to tow 11600. Crazy to do that IMHO. The frame is so much lighter duty.

Now I have a 2016 GMC Duramax. Much better.
Frank Brooks Austin TX
2018 F 150 King Ranch max tow package with 3.55 gears
Published towing weight limit 13200
Payload per sticker 1464

fireman41
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Explorer
thomas201 wrote:
The F350 is forbidden in some left lanes and parkways in the East. Costs more to register and is by definition commercial in places. The F250 is a creation for those areas, also the 250 can be parked at my in-laws house in NJ, the 350 cannot. Just trying to get along.


Not to mention there are some auto insurance companies that won't insure a F350.

drittal
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Explorer
fireman41 wrote:
drittal wrote:
I wouldn't be towing a 12,000lb anything with a 5,000lb aluminum truck.


My semi truck has a aluminum frame and cab and any other part that could be made out of aluminum. It weighs in at 18500 lbs and I pull a tanker that weighs 51000 lbs when it's empty. My light weight truck handles the weight just as well as a heavy W900 or 379.

And if your wondering the trailer will hold 9000 lbs of liquid hydrogen or about 1.8 million standard cubic feet of gas .



Your semi has has close to 50% of that 60,000 on its axles (depending on where the trailer axles are), and your truck axles outweigh your trailer axles. that's a lot different than a the case of an already light weight F150 towing a 5th where only 20% of the weight goes to the pin.

Being that you drive it and scale it, you can probably tell exactly how much is put on your tractor axles and trailer axles.

In any case, your semi has more weight on its axles than your trailer, giving it more control and stability than 5hat of an F150 trying to tow 12,000 lbs.

If you're wondering I used to haul bulk fuel for Exxon, then went on to hauling over 17,000 tons with 12,000hp but I only had to worry about stopping that. 🙂 you start planning stops 10 miles in advance, get out of power into dynamic 4 miles out and start braking 2 miles out. That's on level ground.

thomas201
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Explorer
Also I just love posting the weight numbers on the first 5er I ever owned. (not driven).

Anyone else get that close on weight and not go over on their first try? Like the Price is Right? I was so right when I did my estimates on that camper, but so wrong in actual usage.

Win some, lose some.

Plus, does the half ton towable saga ever die?

thomas201
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Explorer
I am trying to bait others into posting actual numbers. Never do I see numbers, just estimates. I am a retired engineer, I gotta have numbers. I think that all of the manufactures are optimistic. No one ever seems to take ambient air temperatures and headwinds into account. Not even the new SAE test looks at headwinds.

I also think that many miss the point of the 250 trucks. It is mostly a legal and money thing. But you must pick the tool for the job. I can drive nails with a hammer, and tighten nuts with a screwdriver and hammer, but neither is the way to go.

So pick carefully based on all of your needs and wishes. For most of us the trucks and campers are a lot of green. I know because I chose a tool to do the job. It worked, sort of, but not very well. On my second try I got just what I needed and it is fun too. At least I got good money on a trade. After what I did to that half ton I could not sell it to anyone I know. So, I will keep baiting for numbers, maybe I will drop to a gas job 250 on the next truck, or a lighter 5er and back to a half ton.

Always cheaper to learn from others mistakes. You can read mine above. Very seldom will I criticize another's choice. I will tell you mine and listen to yours.

nickthehunter
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I'm guessing that's about the 6th time I've seen the same exact post thomas201. I'm I close? Is it closer to 10th? I was being conservative.

time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
Grit dog wrote:
Heck, if I level there, I'd get a 250 and make it a dually just to say I could!
I want dually hardware with super singles tucked in looking like a 250 :B

Grit_dog
Navigator
Navigator
thomas201 wrote:
The F350 is forbidden in some left lanes and parkways in the East. Costs more to register and is by definition commercial in places. The F250 is a creation for those areas, also the 250 can be parked at my in-laws house in NJ, the 350 cannot. Just trying to get along.


Stupid laws exist everywhere!
My solution to that if I had a 3500 would be to put 2500 badges on it, lol. I'd say debadge but then that could lead a curious cop who's out of donuts to check you out.
Heck, if I level there, I'd get a 250 and make it a dually just to say I could!
2016 Ram 2500, MotorOps.ca EFIlive tuned, 5” turbo back, 6" lift on 37s
2017 Heartland Torque T29 - Sold.
Couple of Arctic Fox TCs - Sold

thomas201
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The F350 is forbidden in some left lanes and parkways in the East. Costs more to register and is by definition commercial in places. The F250 is a creation for those areas, also the 250 can be parked at my in-laws house in NJ, the 350 cannot. Just trying to get along.

rvdd
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thomas201 wrote:
After this trip I upgraded to a 2012 F250 with the 6.7 diesel.


Why not an F350, since they aren't really much more $? I'm not sure why 3/4 tons exist any more.

Thank you for your story.

thomas201
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My experience with a ½ ton fifth wheel, on a drive to Yellowstone, from New Jersey. The 2011 Silverado was set up with the 5.3 and 3.73 gears, along with the towing package. It is a standard bed and rated for a 9600 pound trailer. Trailer was a new 2011 Wildcat.

Over the Cat scales at Flying J exit 2 in Jersey with a full freshwater tank, and loaded for a long camping trip:

Truck only:
Front 3320
Rear 2360
Gross 5680

Truck & Trailer:
Front 3180
Rear 3740
Trailer 8000
Gross 14920

Calculated:
Truck 6920
Pin 1240
Trailer 9240

So, with the truck rated at 7000, and the combined at 15000 and the trailer at 9600, I ain’t no bricks shy of a full load. This was a little high to me, so for our first journey we decided to not go to Alaska. So we dropped a second spare tire for the truck and the fresh water. Thus we dropped 400 to 450 pounds of gross weight all out of the trailer. The cost to weigh was $10.50, cheap to know as opposed to guessing.

So over the mountains we went. It pulls fine on the flat lands along the Atlantic coast. At 65 mph the transmission saw 180-190. Even with the fairly low pin weight it handled well, no swaying, just a well behaved load. Crossing the eastern continental divide from the town of Seneca Rocks, WV I had my first worry moment. Outside temp was about 80 at the bottom of the mountain. The truck pulled this steep mountain at about 30 to 40 mph, mostly in 2nd gear, with an occasional drop to 1st in the tight turns. The coolant peaked at about 240 or so, and then the temperature dropped to 220. I guess the electric fan has two speeds. Transmission fluid also hit 250 for just a moment, before dropping into the 230 to 240 range. The truck did not give a warning light. Anyone know the temperature to throw a warning and drop into the limp mode?

The tow/haul mode works sweetly going down the mountains, only an occasional use of brakes was necessary. The rest of the mountains pulled with no real drama. Topped most of them in 3rd at 40 to 50 mph. Got about 8.4 mpg on this leg from Jersey to Elkins WV.

Continuing on across the plains all was fine until the long constant pull against a strong headwind in South Dakota. With an outside temp of 105 the truck began to heat up on any extended grade. Four times the temp of the coolant climbed to 240 or so, and the transmission fluid also climbed to 221. Each time this happened, I shut down the A/C for 15 minutes and cooled everything down. The truck spent most of its time in 3rd gear under these conditions, at about 55 to 60 mph. The big headwind (maybe 40 mph) killed my mileage down to 8 even. A bigger truck would be needed to keep up with traffic. The strong headwind limited me to 4th and about 65mph on the downgrades. It would not stay in 5th, unless dropping into a river valley.

Easier pulling from Rapid City, SD to Gardiner, MT with no real headwinds. With temps in the mid 90’s the tranny held 190 to 205. Got about 9.2 mpg. Truck made it West, but I will be shopping for ¾ ton in either gas or diesel for more performance in the mountains.

On the trip East, I normally had a tailwind and cooler temperatures. Across North Dakota and through the Michigan UP, and on down to WV, mileage was in the middle nines with one whole day at 10.1. Plenty of truck for this driving.


After this trip I upgraded to a 2012 F250 with the 6.7 diesel. In 20,000 miles of towing in 13, 14 and 15 no drama at all. The bigger brakes only were needed after the loss of trailer braking between Durango and Silverton Colorado. Ford replaced the trailer brake controller under warranty in Steamboat Springs. I like the F250 with a 10k door sticker since it gives me the towing limits I need (I like to de-rate the manufactures about 10%) and it allows me to use the left lanes and some parkways in the Northeast without the camper.

MitchF150
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I've got an F150 MaxTow with #1900 payload.. Towing my #5000 GVWR TT, I'm within #600 of GVWR and #400 of rear axle weight..

I've gotten spoiled with this combo and would probably not be happy towing much more than a #7500 GVWR TT with it..

But, that's just me and shows how speculative 'towing performance' can be.. Been towing trailers of all shapes and sizes for over 30 years and gotta say, there is a difference in all of them!

Good luck!

Mitch
2013 F150 XLT 4x4 SuperCab Max Tow Egoboost 3.73 gears #7700 GVWR #1920 payload. 2019 Rockwood Mini Lite 2511S.