Dual cam saddles

his RZR is about 1600. The capacity is 3K and he maybe has 150lbs of weight in it other than the water tank. Guess he is getting pretty close but not over the top yet. Guess we need to work on getting some more weight up front too to offset that heavy tail. maybe some lead weights HAHA

Chris

What is the cargo capacity of the TH, and what is in the garage?

A UTV with a bunch of tools and spare parts adds up quick.

The TH has a cargo capacity, but that's for the WHOLE trailer, not just the garage. You can easily put too much weight in the garage, which is behind the axles, making the trailer tail heavy and prone to sway.

well, He ended up ordering the dual cam add on and a new set of 1200# saddle bars. He said the ride home without any WD was better but as soon as a gust of wind hit it was very tail happy. I am going to drop his hitch another notch when we install the dual cam and see if that helps too.

I have a hard time believing that you can't put toys in a TH because that is what they are made for. We are even putting it in backward so the engine (heaviest part) is over the axle as far forward as possible

Chris

You are not thinking about it correctly.

The weight (think forces) transferred via the WD hitch moves some from the rear of the truck to the front axle of the truck and back to the trailers AXLES, not to the rear of the trailer. The actual tongue weight of the trailer does not change at all.

The only way, as I mentioned earlier, to do that is to make the tongue longer, add weight to the front or rear of the trailer (which the WD hitch does not do), or move the axles of the trailer forward or backwards (same as making the tongue longer), in other words change the CG or balance point of the trailer.

If you add forces to the axles of the trailer you are not changing the balance point. Those added forces are accomplished by the WD bar chains pulling down on the trailer A frame and then transferred through the frame to the trailers axles.

Study the first post in this thread, stuck at the top of this forum, for some help on how this whole thing works.
Barney

BarneyS wrote:

katoom400 wrote:
snip... But it seems I took too much weight off the tongue.

A trip to the scales is next to confirm, but judging by my return trip, I think I'll find that I was missing tongue weight compared to my Tundra which needed help in that department.

You were not taking any weight off the tongue. All you were doing was removing some of it from the rear axle of the truck and putting it someplace else. The tongue weight always stays the same unless you load the trailer differently or move the axles.

I know what you really meant but just put the above for others who may think you actually change the trailers tongue weight by using a WD hitch. Semantics you know! :B
Barney

agreed, the tongue weight is distributed from the rear axle to the front axle and to some extent to the rear of the TT. so let's say I have 1000lbs of TW, I usually have the WDH set to transfer a certain amount of that weight to the front . now I have 500lbs of weight sitting in the very rear of the trailer. this will surely reduce the tongue weight and if I use my "normal" WDH settings I am transferring too much weight to the front of the TV and rear of the TT, in effect making the trailer light on the tongue.

or am I not thinking about this correctly?

katoom400 wrote:
snip... But it seems I took too much weight off the tongue.

A trip to the scales is next to confirm, but judging by my return trip, I think I'll find that I was missing tongue weight compared to my Tundra which needed help in that department.

You were not taking any weight off the tongue. All you were doing was removing some of it from the rear axle of the truck and putting it someplace else. The tongue weight always stays the same unless you load the trailer differently or move the axles.

I know what you really meant but just put the above for others who may think you actually change the trailers tongue weight by using a WD hitch. Semantics you know! :B
Barney

I think you are moving in the right direction by adding tongue weight. my 2015 f250 pulled my trailer this past weekend with my rear fresh water tank (50 gal) filled and experienced more sway than I ever have in the past. in fact even with it empty I noticed cars passing me more than i did with my previous TV (Toyota Tundra).

I think the Tundra needed more help from the WDH bars than the SuperDuty needs. I just figured I would empty the tank before heading back home. I also decided to loosen up the chains by having 6 links under tension vs. the 5 links I've been using.

The ride home was the best I've experienced so far! didn't feel anything from passing vehicles at all! I had measured everything and brought the front within 1/8" of empty measurements. But it seems I took too much weight off the tongue.

A trip to the scales is next to confirm, but judging by my return trip, I think I'll find that I was missing tongue weight compared to my Tundra which needed help in that department.

We thought we had it set pretty well. Had to drop the hitch one hole already because the dealer had it too high. Thinking it is another hole too high. I told him to try it without the weight bars on for a bit to see if the extra tongue weight would help. The weight isn't a big deal. He is hauling it with a 1 ton diesel it is just the tongue weight without the bars but for a test it will be OK.

I think putting it on a scale to see just what is going on is the right course of action.

Chris

I bought mine used off of eBay....not long ago I saw a NOS add on cam saddle for sale on EBay for $35.00....per saddle....

I had a hitch head failure and replaced my straight bars with bars with the crooks in them...like a dummy...forgot to take the add on saddles off before I had the old WD recycled.

So...I have the u-bolt cams...but no saddles now. Lol...

PPL motor homes had some NOS kits...they were over $300.00 last I checked...

As you can probably tell from my language... This product is out of production now...

BUT...dual cam will not magically make a bad handling trailer good again...

I recommend getting your brothers hitch dialed in now that he has...weigh the rig and the trailer tongue weight....guessing does not work well.

You may find his bars are undersized or something like that...

Thanks!

Jeremiah