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Homeless migration to RVs creating problems

Durb
Explorer
Explorer
There seems to be a trend for the homeless to get an old RV and live on the streets. County officials admit their hands are are tied as they do not have proper laws in place to deal with the problem. Nor do they have the proper funds. Our county estimates it costs $3,000 to tow and salvage an abandoned RV. Private landowners with RVers squatting on their property are also having problems. Towing companies will not remove the rigs as they know they won't get paid.

It looks to be a growing problem without an easy financial solution. Will we start seeing salvage taxes on our RV registration renewals?
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time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
covered wagon wrote:
time2roll wrote:
SS was never intended to provide a living pension. Just a supplement to personal resources.

Going to get much worse before it improves.
Free food and free living makes for lazy folks with idle time for doing things they should not be doing. Be good if they required regular community service in order to earn the right for those benefits.
Not sure how big the SS benefit is for those that never worked.

Matt_Colie
Explorer II
Explorer II
time2roll wrote:
SS was never intended to provide a living pension. Just a supplement to personal resources.

Going to get much worse before it improves.

Well, if that is the case, then why did the prior administration use the abrogation of the bankruptcy laws to take away 28 years of crimping, saving with no big toys and no real vacations? In short, they destroyed those personal resources and I was not alone. But as a guy that got a lot of education and worked up to a nice position, I guess I was "RICH" and due to be fleeced.
Matt & Mary Colie
A sailor, his bride and their black dogs (one dear dog is waiting for us at the bridge) going to see some dry places that have Geocaches in a coach made the year we married.

time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
Papa Steve wrote:
Near us, there was a huge homeless encampment of 700 people in a 3 mile stretch. Only 11% of those people said they wanted help. 58% were drug users, and the rest were mentally ill. Most didn't want shelters because of the rules: wake up, eat, go to bed, all at specific times. And of course, no drugs.
I live in Southern California, so I know how expensive big cities can be. I don't think we should be building shelters in places where real estate costs so much.

Maybe we should build a tent city in the desert and provide free food, water, porta-potties, showers, and even drugs. Bus the people there that don't want to do anything except get high. Has to be cheaper than building new shelters, or even cleaning up encampments. BTW, Los Angeles spent $36,000,000 this year just cleaning up places only to have the homeless move back within an hour.

Comments?
I agree. Hard to help those that like things as they are.

To a certain extent the homeless don't have a problem. The rest of society has the problem as they do not like their lifestyle and proximity.

I am just sad for the kids that get dragged into the mix.

covered_wagon
Explorer
Explorer
time2roll wrote:
SS was never intended to provide a living pension. Just a supplement to personal resources.

Going to get much worse before it improves.


Free food and free living makes for lazy folks with idle time for doing things they should not be doing. Be good if they required regular community service in order to earn the right for those benefits.

Papa_Steve
Explorer
Explorer
Near us, there was a huge homeless encampment of 700 people in a 3 mile stretch. Only 11% of those people said they wanted help. 58% were drug users, and the rest were mentally ill. Most didn't want shelters because of the rules: wake up, eat, go to bed, all at specific times. And of course, no drugs.
I live in Southern California, so I know how expensive big cities can be. I don't think we should be building shelters in places where real estate costs so much.

Maybe we should build a tent city in the desert and provide free food, water, porta-potties, showers, and even drugs. Bus the people there that don't want to do anything except get high. Has to be cheaper than building new shelters, or even cleaning up encampments. BTW, Los Angeles spent $36,000,000 this year just cleaning up places only to have the homeless move back within an hour.

Comments?
Steve

2016 GMC 2500HD duramax 4x4
2018 Cougar 311RES

my440
Explorer III
Explorer III
I own and love my 42 year old motorhome. Had her for awhile now. People think I'm homeless I guess. You can sense it now by the way your looked at. The ones in the $100.000 rigs when you pull up in beside them can be seen peeking through the shades. Don't pull in here don't pull in here...
Different world now.

goducks10
Explorer
Explorer
So what should be done with the homeless?

ppine
Explorer II
Explorer II
The middle class continues to shrink. That is the real problem.
I have a close friend that lives in an old Class A motorhome on his own property. He rents out his house because he can't afford the mortgage payment.

joelc
Explorer III
Explorer III
Are these "Homeless" people or people who lost there homes due to fire or flood? 1st of all, they should not be on the streets. This is dangerous and gives RVers a bad name. I would presume the paid for their rig. They should be in a CG or private area set up by the Feds for disaster relief. We are full Timers and live on our own lot which is kept cleaner than I have seen in many yards. It is not because we can't afford a permanent dwelling, but prefer the life style to travel when we choose. For an RV to be on the streets or parking lot long term is wrong. It seems that many persons are purchasing RV's that don't have the courtesy of the older generation. They not courteous.

Deb_and_Ed_M
Explorer II
Explorer II
JRscooby wrote:
I have no solutions for the homeless problem.


I think there's a three subsets under the name of "homeless":
There's the people who simply can't afford housing, or are down on their luck, but are willing to work and be a benefit to their community. IMO, they are able to connect with the organizations that are set up to help folks in their situation; and with time and guidance, can overcome their difficulties.

There are those who have mental/emotional/substance problems who resist any help that would be available because it requires them to deal with their problems

And there's a group that simply doesn't want to conform. I have a brother-in-law among them - he's perfectly happy being homeless. Doesn't drink or do drugs. Has a couple of college degrees; and works as a bus boy. Family members have tried to help him, but he eventually reverts back to living out of his car....
Ed, Deb, and 2 dogs
Looking for a small Class C!

JRscooby
Explorer II
Explorer II
colliehauler wrote:
Prices have always increased on homes in the long run. Supply and demand. A lot of homes in small towns with lack of jobs can be bought dirt cheap. For a retired person who does not depend on employment this can be a good deal. There are several list of states and towns that are the best places to retire along with the most expensive places to retire. Illegal immigrants compound the housing issue but certain people choose not to address the issue. Until these people are voted out I don't see things changing.


Yes, a retired person can sell their house, buy one dirt cheap in a small town in say Kansas. But what is the cost, that can not be expressed in dollars, to move away from the friends, church, entertainment? Then there is the fact older people need accesses to medical care, and small town hospitals are closing. As we age, driving becomes a issue. If it is a 10 mile round trip to get groceries, even if you need to change buses a couple of times. But what if the trip is 100 miles, and there are no buses?
I agree the politicians will not solve the immigration, but if the ones in power wanted to it would take no change in laws, just a change in how/which laws are enforced. It could be done before the next election.

lots2seeinmyrv
Explorer
Explorer
Blazing Zippers wrote:
I would like to thank the moderators for allowing this topic to be discussed. So of us are not afforded the opportunity to speak up without fear of criticism.



I thank the moderator too.

Let's keep the discussion going without giving them a reason to lock this thread. And do not attack each other!

The OPs point was the homeless living in RVs, and that affects us all in this industry. We need affordable housing so they are not living in RVs.

We all would love to continue living this lifestyle of camping, vacation, enjoying our campgrounds, and full-time travelling. But now this massive problem is having a direct impact on enjoying the whole purpose of why we buy these RVs. We want to live and camp in safe areas and enjoy the outdoors.

We are taking care of the rest of the world with Trillions of our dollars for decades and we are throwing our own homeless, veterans and seniors under the bus. This will have a direct impact on our own youth and their future. This is wrong on so many levels.

These countries need to take care of their own people with their own money and it needs to stop. We cannot throw our money at their problems anymore.

We cannot be the police and the ATM machine for the world nor take in millions of their citizens, year after year after year, while we have our own homeless and destitute suffering in our streets.

We need a break, a breather, a pause, stay out of these never ending wars, and put a pause on all immigration both legal and illegal for at least 10 years so we can clean up our own backyard.

We have the same problems they do and getting worse. We have been far too generous for far too long, now we are suffering the consequences of these failed policies.

We have the tax dollars to solve these problems, we cannot continue to give our hard earned money away and it needs to stop. We give billions of our dollars away to countries with zero results for decades.

Now our citizens are resorting to living in the streets in RVs, our Seniors and Veterans are not making ends meet. This should not be happening. Our cities are turning into 3rd world status.

We should also allow our Seniors to work, without tax penalty, to supplement their income if they wish. There are many jobs they can do. They have skills, they are dependable, they have a work ethic. They are valuable to our companies.

I think we need to have a building boom of Senior housing built with 2 bedrooms, 2 baths, in small communities with no amenities, (not The Villages) to keep costs down so Seniors can move out of their big homes, free those homes up for families, and the Seniors can downsize and cut costs.

Someone posted above, Seniors cannot afford rent, it is very concerning we are not solving that problem. We are worried about our parents and ourselves being able to survive the costs of living in this country.

It is very expensive to live here, rent, electric, cable, internet, cell phones, insurance, cars, gas, food, medical, water, taxes. None of those costs have gone down and continue to rise.

We need to stop bringing in the rest of the world and paying THEIR bills out of our paychecks, while neglecting our own. Whoever came up with that policy should be forced to live in a cardboard box in San Francisco for a year. Totally unacceptable.

What is the solution to this homeless problem? Where do you put them? We cannot afford to build billion dollars shelters to live in for free and do drugs, and refuse to work.

Convert shipping containers, make them into studios, work for shelter, basic shelter, put them on empty lots on bus lines. Get on your feet and move on. No more living in the projects for life. We have closed up shopping centers all over this country, use those empty lots.

colliehauler
Explorer III
Explorer III
Prices have always increased on homes in the long run. Supply and demand. A lot of homes in small towns with lack of jobs can be bought dirt cheap. For a retired person who does not depend on employment this can be a good deal. There are several list of states and towns that are the best places to retire along with the most expensive places to retire. Illegal immigrants compound the housing issue but certain people choose not to address the issue. Until these people are voted out I don't see things changing.

JRscooby
Explorer II
Explorer II
time2roll wrote:
SS was never intended to provide a living pension. Just a supplement to personal resources.

Going to get much worse before it improves.


SS was to reduce the strain on working age by helping them support the older generation. Also it was to move older out of the work force, so younger men could have jobs.
At one time, a family would have many kids, with hope enough would live long to support them in old age. The extra young that survived to maturity moved west, but the well-being of the old was directly the responsibility of the family that stayed on the home farm.
As the economy turned to manufacturing, the extra babies that lived to maturity moved to cities, and as they got old, did not have the farm work to pass to their kids. Unions demanded that as part of compensation was the promise if you work for us so many years we will support you for the rest of your life. But unlike most of the farm kids of the past manufacturers did not keep the promise.
Now we are in a totally irrational situation where we expect everybody to save for their own retirement while at the same time not expecting the employers to pay enough for a worker to support their kids...



colliehauler wrote:
Roy&Lynne wrote:
Ten years ago you could rent an apartment in my home town for 550 a month, now that same apartment costs 950 to 1000 a month, but wages have hardly budged. My elderly neighbors husband died and and she gets 780 a month from SS. Does anyone know where she can rent an apartment? Personally I think the problem might not be poor people who really need a place to live but our society who can't be bothered to take care of our poor.
Usually older people benefit the most out of skyrocketing home prices. Homes they paid a very reasonable price are worth a fortune now giving them a healthy retirement when they sell. I know several people who retired from California and sold their home for a fortune and moved to the midwest and can live very well on the profits. Not unique to that area Jackson Hole, Aspen and several other towns where money moved in and long time residents displaced.


Do you see a problem with that idea? Yes, a older person can sell the home they have lived in for years, get a large windfall. But then is homeless, or running up the price in another area for another family.
Unlike the immigration problem, I have no solutions for the homeless problem. If we wanted to solve the illegal immigration issue it could be done in a month with no change in laws and less than a million dollars.

colliehauler
Explorer III
Explorer III
Roy&Lynne wrote:
Ten years ago you could rent an apartment in my home town for 550 a month, now that same apartment costs 950 to 1000 a month, but wages have hardly budged. My elderly neighbors husband died and and she gets 780 a month from SS. Does anyone know where she can rent an apartment? Personally I think the problem might not be poor people who really need a place to live but our society who can't be bothered to take care of our poor.
Usually older people benefit the most out of skyrocketing home prices. Homes they paid a very reasonable price are worth a fortune now giving them a healthy retirement when they sell. I know several people who retired from California and sold their home for a fortune and moved to the midwest and can live very well on the profits. Not unique to that area Jackson Hole, Aspen and several other towns where money moved in and long time residents displaced.