mto- ontario- newbie truck licensing question

JaxDad wrote:

gorjo01 wrote:

Nvr2loud wrote:

gorjo01 wrote:

Nvr2loud wrote:

scouser wrote:
ANY pick-up truck over GVWR of 10,000lbs (see sticker on door post)wether it's personal use or Comm needs a yearly safety (yellow sticker) No safety on an RV trailer.

Not true, all pickup trucks need a commercial plate in ontario but not all of them need the annual inspection sticker.

For ANY business use:
Truck and trailer need annual inspection with yellow stickers.

Under personal use only:
If the actual weight of the truck loaded exceeds 4500 kg then an annual sticker is required. The truck can tow any trailer up to approx 2800 Kg (I don't know the exact number) without the yellow sticker. ANY trailer towed behind the truck that exceeds the 2800 will need the sticker, and the truck would also need the sticker at that point. The weight of the trailer is added to the weight of the loaded truck only after the actual trailer weight exceeds 2800 Kg. Camper trailers are exempt from this requirement.

I personally spoke to an MTO officer and this is the correct answer.

Weigh your truck and trailer and if your RV axles weigh over 2800 kg you have to register your truck for BOTH truck and trailer weights which would bring you over the 4500 kg which would mean an annual safety (yellow stick)on the truck only not the RV..no distinction is made between commercial trailer or RV for this provision when it comes to sticker on the truck.

However, the MTO officer said when the truck is pulling the RV the yellow sticker is not required but when truck not pulling trailer the sticker is required...kinda of stupid. in other words, without the yellow sticker you would only be able to use the truck legally when pulling your RV trailer if it's axles weighed more than 2800kg...I know it's confusing.

He is mixing up two different requirements... A camping trailer is completely exempt from the commercial vehicle requirements, regardless of weight. The towing vehicle does not need the sticker, period.

What you are saying used to be the case, but not anymore..the regulations have changed...example, a truck camper and pickup combo used to be considered a motorhome, therefore exempt, but not anymore ....(the government is broke and needs money)..therefore the over 2800 kg on the axles applies to camping trailers also, whether you like it or not. RV's are exempt from CVOR but pickups not exempt from annual inspections if hauling big heavy fifthwheels. Not that I want to argue with you, just want people to know because if you get pulled over by the MTO, the "I didn't know" won't work anymore. But you can do what you want.

And actually, I spoke to 2 different MTO officer's but wanted to shorten my previous post. They both said the same thing to me. Also an email to the Ministry of transportation of Ontario was the final confirmation of this.

Wow, even more confusing / wrong information.

Pickups were never motorhomes, and never exempt.

The yellow annual safety sticker and a CVOR are tow VERY different things.

A pickup with a curb weight, or registered gross weight of less than 4,500 KG or 9,900 pounds does not require a yellow sticker.

If a pickup under the above limit is towing a trailer that has a GVWR of 2,800 KG or more, OR, actually weighs more than that, and it is NOT an RV, then it and the trailer MUST have a yellow sticker.

If however, a pickup under 4,500 KG is towing an RV that weighs more than 2,800 KG even if it's an RV, the truck MUST be registered for at least the weight of the truck and the trailer weights added together.

This will result in a RGVW of the truck of +4,500 KG. At this point the truck MUST have a yellow stick.

The RV does not require a yellow sticker. However, now that the truck has a RGVW of +4,500 KG ANY other (non RV) trailer it tows (even a 1,000 pound GVW single snowmobile trailer) will require a yellow sticker.