Rep. Welch (D, VT) admits government’s flop on ethanol

[ryegatevt]

Commons sense approach to Ethanol!
Ethanol a flop!

[CavemanCharlie]

dreamer wrote:
I still say if you are burning your food something ain't right. Max.

The corn Ethanol is made from is not food. Cattle food maybe but, not people food. It is a commodity just like Oil, Coal, Natural Gas, etc.

[CavemanCharlie]

OK, I live in farm country and I need to help get rid of some of the myths here. #1 We were growing the corn anyway. We have not put anymore corn in the ground due to Ethanol. We couldn't , Every bit of ground possible was already in corn production. Been that way since the 70's and 80's when the government programs changed and started pushing big corn farms instead of small farms that raised a number of different things. #2 Ethanol has been good for the local economy. Not just for the farmers but, the Ethanol plants themselves hire workers and pay a good wage. Plus, The truckers that haul it. The C02 in your pop is a by product of Ethanol production and a whole industry has sprung up around that. And, another byproduct is a good cattle feed and has started a whole industry around that.

I did't read the whole article and I know that I will never convince any of you to change your minds but, often people forget that for every dollar spent on something there are several more dollars that are made from the off shoots of that original dollar. That is true of any thing. Lets not forget that the health of the economy has nothing at all to do with how a dollar is made by someone. It is how fast that dollar moves around. When the dollars quit moving we have a problem. They need to stay in circulation.

Locally Ethanol has done a lot to keep those dollars circulating. The only reason I can afford to eat, much less go camping, is because of it. I know that you believe that has nothing to do with your personal lives but, it actually does.

But, I have no idea how your lives work either so I don't really expect you to care about mine or anyone elses. That's the American way. Only worry about Number One and stick it to everybody else. Especially these days.

[wa8yxm]

bukhrn wrote:
Honesty in politics, who'da thunk it. 😉

Politics I am interested in but do not wish to discuss here.

Suffice to say I'm seeing a tendency toward honesty in SOME politicians.. Likely in response to the dishonesty of others.

But I've seen study after study on Ethanol and have been saying for years that it is a scam.

[dreamer]

I still say if you are burning your food something ain't right. Max.

[NCC-1701]

Ethanol production is also an incredible consumer of ground water.

[Lynnmor]

We aren't allowed to discuss politics, so I'll just remind folks that every state gets two senators, even those square states that have more corn fields than people. That's a lot of power and I'm not talking about the fuel.

[nineoaks2004]

All they had to do is Ask Us, the ones who have to buy that ****. It costs to buy additives to remove something that costs to produce it. I only use non-ethanol in all my small engines, they run better ad there are less problems.

[mobeewan]

And it costs more energy to produce the replacements for those parts the ethanol damages.

It's all about farm subsidies and the corporate farms under the guise of saving fossil fuels. With 10 percent ethanol I actually get 10 percent less gas milage and therefore have to buy 11 percent more gas to go the same distance.

[rexlion]

With the world population growing and chronic hunger being a real problem in some places, I never understood the logic of using good crop land to grow fuel instead of food. Especially a fuel that is somewhat harmful to vehicle components.

[kerrlakeRoo]

I remember reading articles years ago that claimed that they burned more carbon fuel in growing, distilling, and transporting the corn than the amount of energy it yielded.
Whether or not they ever even got that issue remedied would be interesting to see.

[bukhrn]

Honesty in politics, who'da thunk it. 😉

[azrving]

I wonder if there is any way in the world that it's not their only fiasco.

[mhampton]

I had an inspector from the Indiana Department of Environmental Management tell me that the State of Indiana no longer uses E85 in any of its vehicles.