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RV Fuel Issues & Prices - Post 'Em Here!

Dick_A
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Explorer
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koda55
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I was reading a couple articles and all say they expect gas to increase to around the $3.25 price range this summer. I figure diesel will be around $3.65 Looks like everything will be going up.

SRT
Explorer
Explorer
AArrgg! Gas price is up another nickle - now back at $2.79 a gallon. Noticed diesel was $2.99. Geeze, we're supposed to be in a recession. Obviously the law of supply and demand doesn't seem to be working. :M

Gale_Hawkins
Explorer
Explorer
ronharmless wrote:
AO_hitech wrote:
Just require ALL buyers on the oil and gasoline commodity market to actually take delivery. Problem solved.
You don't know a whole lot about commodities market do you. When you buy, you do take delivery, unless you sell it before the delivery date.


Ron that seems to be the case based on some of the posts

Traders are not consumers of what they trade so long term they are not price drivers plus there are two parties (on long and one short for ever contract).

Like copper prices could be up due to the weekend earthquake in Chile a major supplier. But long term is the comsumers of copper ore do no buy it the prices will drop back to normal supported prices.

The producers sell (create short positions) to lock in their selling price and consumers (companies who need the products produced (create a long position) to insure they have the future products and a fixed cost.

ronharmless
Explorer
Explorer
AO_hitech wrote:
Just require ALL buyers on the oil and gasoline commodity market to actually take delivery. Problem solved.
You don't know a whole lot about commodities market do you. When you buy, you do take delivery, unless you sell it before the delivery date.

RV-1_2n-FUN
Explorer
Explorer
1 week ago reg. at $2.62 and today $2.75!

SRT
Explorer
Explorer
SRT wrote:
SRT wrote:
Oh, golly. Gas up here has dropped another 5ยข a gallon. Now at $2.69. Profit maximization in progress. Gas can go up 10ยข a gallon every week, but then drops only 5ยข at a time over a period of weeks. Bummer! :R


Now it is down another nickle. Wonder of wonders....:)


Whoops, shot up 8ยข to $2.73 a gallon for gasoline. Wonder what caused the increase?

SRT
Explorer
Explorer
SRT wrote:
Oh, golly. Gas up here has dropped another 5ยข a gallon. Now at $2.69. Profit maximization in progress. Gas can go up 10ยข a gallon every week, but then drops only 5ยข at a time over a period of weeks. Bummer! :R


Now it is down another nickle. Wonder of wonders....:)

SRT
Explorer
Explorer
Oh, golly. Gas up here has dropped another 5ยข a gallon. Now at $2.69. Profit maximization in progress. Gas can go up 10ยข a gallon every week, but then drops only 5ยข at a time over a period of weeks. Bummer! :R

Fezziwig
Explorer
Explorer
As a matter of fact I DID read your link, which went to Human Events which proudly announces that it is in the Conservative Underground, so it is partisan.

They cited another report (Human Events does NO original research), which doesn't cite it's sources, but makes two cavils: (1) they have to guess at coal equivalents to oil, (2) they don't really know foreign oil resources.

The thing that makes US resources look huge are the US coal reserves. Note: there is no way for coal to substitute directly for oil.

We have enough oil reserves for STRATEGIC use, but it would be stupid to fritter that oil away at todays cheap prices and have no reserves for the future when prices will rise and oil will be more scarce.

LindsayRichards
Explorer
Explorer
Evidently you did not read the link listing the huge amount of domestic supplies in the US. We have huge supplies and it is stupid to buy foreign oil at inflated prices.

Fezziwig
Explorer
Explorer
Pumping and depleting US oil will quickly make the USA dependent on foreign oil sources. How stupid. Or is it stupid? Maybe that's the plan of the anti-americans. It's un-american to propose foolishly burning up our own resources. Better that we should use OPO, Other Peoples Oil.

Who are these "drill baby drill" people? Commies? Al Queda?

SRT
Explorer
Explorer
Well, golly, gee, the price of gasoline went down a whole 4ยข gallon to $2.75 up here. Can hardly wait for the increase when the warmer driving season begins (it was -12ยฐ F this morning - enjoying the brisk Canadian air :B).

AO_hitech
Explorer
Explorer
LindsayRichards wrote:
The price of oil is controlled by the world supply and the world demand.


The price is controlled by speculators in the commodity markets. While supply and demand has a small effect, it is not a controlling one.

LindsayRichards
Explorer
Explorer
Shale oil was found to have a break even point of $65/bbl. Not too expensive by a long shot. Unfortunately even the testing has been made illegal by congressional mandate. This would solve our energy problem and make us a huge exporter of energy.

โ€œWeโ€ as in the United States. The US owns the land at ANWR and sells leases to ht highest bidder. We also own the rights to most of the fossil fuel shown in the link. We use 25% of the worldโ€™s oil and ship in huge qualities of oil and refined products. When we open up ANWR (now closed by congressional mandate) and build the 70 mile pipe line to splice into the existing pipeline to Purdo Bay for shipment to the US or elsewhere. The price of oil is controlled by the world supply and the world demand. When we increase the domestic supply, the world supply goes and the price goes down. Worked this way for centuries. Your scenario about the troops is crazy. Oil suppliers sell to oil customers. Most of the suppliers are very cash short and depend on their oil payments for their very existence and to keep the rulers in place.

What is this the third or fourth time you bring up your favorite word? Fungibility The simple fact is that the US is sitting on huge reserves of fossil fuel and the politicians keep us from getting it. If the American ingenuity was set free, we would already be energy independent.

Fezziwig
Explorer
Explorer
LindsayRichards wrote:
...Shale oil in three Western states contains more oil that the world has used since the industrial revolution began. It is held political prisoner.


Shale oil is too expensive. It's not a political prisoner, it's an economics prisoner.


When we start ANWR, we can ship it right down to our refineries and stop buying that much foreign oil. No treaty stops this.


Who do you mean by "we"?

The USA owns and operates NO oil companies. Oil companies are totally international, and about 60% of the ownership of oil companies is foreign. Do you propose that "we" just commandeer the oil? That we send troops into the offices and force the oil to go to the USA? That's what some socialist countries have done. And what happened? The international oil operators simply divert the same amount of international oil away from those commie bastards that they would normally have gotten from the international pool.

Do you get it? That's the consequence of oil fungibility.

And, ironically, the international oil system that exists was setup BY THE USA! We did it so that we could use foreign oil while reserving our own. Had the USA NOT done that we would have used our native resources up decades ago and we would now be beggars in the oil markets.