โOct-21-2019 10:54 AM
โJan-19-2020 05:09 AM
lakeside013104 wrote:
EVERY traffic stop has the potential to turn ugly.
and often the reason why deadly force is perceived to be the only option to ensure that the Officer gets home to their family at the end of their shift.
โJan-19-2020 04:42 AM
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Yeah, the individual rights of a car or RV owner not to be searched without warrant agains the welfare of millions of Californian's depending in their agricultural livelihood.
โJan-19-2020 02:52 AM
toedtoes wrote:JRscooby wrote:Deb and Ed M wrote:
But an AG stop isn't about police enforcement - it's about protecting an area from invaders you surely don't know that you are transporting. Why on Earth would you not let someone find a pest that can create havoc in an environment?
Yes, but the uniform asks me, "Are you carrying fruits, veggies, or plants?" No. At that point, maybe tell me of the harm that could come from my fruit, fine. But "Can I come in and look?" Would translate in my mind to YOU ARE LYING! If uniform thinks they need to see for themselves, ask it inspect, don't ask what I have.
And this is what it comes down to: "they think I'm lying". People take that as a personal insult and get an attitude about it. Then the whole thing goes south.
In reality, it was NOT a personal attack. The inspector doesn't know the OP or anyone going through that checkpoint. They are simply making a quick judgment call as to which vehicle is most likely carrying a problem. An RV from across the country - far more likely to be carrying infected fruit than a compact car from in-state. So, they question the answer.
Years ago, I got stopped after a night out with friends. I had missed a turn and made an illegal u-turn. The officer asked me if I had been drinking. I said no, but my friends had and she's about to throw up. He had me "walk the line". Did I take it personally and get all mad? No, I did as he asked and passed the test and he let me go with a war ning. I could look beyond the "accusation" that I was lying and realize that it wasn't that off to think I could be lying. And if I had been drinking, I would have most likely BEEN LYING about not drinking.
Singularly, in the OP's situation, the inspector asked the question, then considered the odds that this person could be lying and decided it was enough of a chance to ask to look inside.
There was nothing more sinister than that.
โJan-18-2020 08:01 PM
โJan-18-2020 04:32 PM
am1958 wrote:Yosemite Sam1 wrote:am1958 wrote:Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
And people, there is such thing as "motor vehicle exception", and that includes RVs and trailers (being pulled by semis) first established by the Supreme Court in 1925 that motor vehicles can be subject to warrantless search. You in effect impliedly waived your rights to be searched without warrant upon purchase of the vehicle.
Your statement is only partially true though isn't it. You conveniently left out the bit _requiring_ the officer to have probable cause and said probable cause is reliant upon RAS, (Reasonable, Articulable Suspicion). Thus the officer needs to be able to explain to you why he intends to search and that explanation must be "reasonable".
Tell me which of these can't be checked in the box of probably cause for OP's RV inspection:
1. Passing by a state with insect or agricultural virus infestation.
2. Insect hitch-hikers.
3. Fruits, vegetable, plant, soil, fungus, non native aquatic species, infected wood, firewood from infected tree species...
4. Wildlife products banned in the state.
You're being horribly disingenuous aren't you?
You started by saying that the Supremes said that vehicles are fair game for warrentless searches back in 1925 while setting aside the absolute requirement for RAS. Now, you come back and start arguing that non LEO/agricultural searches are mandatory. They aren't simply because anyone can refuse the search and turn around. Try that when an officer has RAS.
Quit trying to be obtuse and spreading incorrect information
โJan-18-2020 01:25 PM
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:am1958 wrote:Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
And people, there is such thing as "motor vehicle exception", and that includes RVs and trailers (being pulled by semis) first established by the Supreme Court in 1925 that motor vehicles can be subject to warrantless search. You in effect impliedly waived your rights to be searched without warrant upon purchase of the vehicle.
Your statement is only partially true though isn't it. You conveniently left out the bit _requiring_ the officer to have probable cause and said probable cause is reliant upon RAS, (Reasonable, Articulable Suspicion). Thus the officer needs to be able to explain to you why he intends to search and that explanation must be "reasonable".
Tell me which of these can't be checked in the box of probably cause for OP's RV inspection:
1. Passing by a state with insect or agricultural virus infestation.
2. Insect hitch-hikers.
3. Fruits, vegetable, plant, soil, fungus, non native aquatic species, infected wood, firewood from infected tree species...
4. Wildlife products banned in the state.
โJan-18-2020 09:57 AM
am1958 wrote:Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
And people, there is such thing as "motor vehicle exception", and that includes RVs and trailers (being pulled by semis) first established by the Supreme Court in 1925 that motor vehicles can be subject to warrantless search. You in effect impliedly waived your rights to be searched without warrant upon purchase of the vehicle.
Your statement is only partially true though isn't it. You conveniently left out the bit _requiring_ the officer to have probable cause and said probable cause is reliant upon RAS, (Reasonable, Articulable Suspicion). Thus the officer needs to be able to explain to you why he intends to search and that explanation must be "reasonable".
โJan-18-2020 08:47 AM
โJan-18-2020 08:42 AM
romore wrote:
I wonder if I would be arrested and deported for that. We got searched once at the international border, cost us a tomato.
โJan-18-2020 07:40 AM
Airdaile wrote:et2 wrote:
California has a lot to worry about. But it won't be a insect that devastates it's economy.
Yup. If California collapses, it won't be because of a bark beetle. More likely it will be because they elected Governor Moonbeam twice.
โJan-18-2020 06:43 AM
โJan-18-2020 04:24 AM
Lwiddis wrote:
We don't consider inspections nonsense. Childish behavior on your part.
โJan-18-2020 03:29 AM
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
And people, there is such thing as "motor vehicle exception", and that includes RVs and trailers (being pulled by semis) first established by the Supreme Court in 1925 that motor vehicles can be subject to warrantless search. You in effect impliedly waived your rights to be searched without warrant upon purchase of the vehicle.
โJan-17-2020 03:23 PM
โJan-17-2020 02:34 PM
pitch wrote:
Ag. Check points;we all know understand and tolerate them,never a problem.
Couple of weeks ago we were heade to redwood. National forest from Grants Pas Oregon.
Ag check ahead, ok I fall into line with everyone else,multiple lanes,cars trucks,other rv,s. Everyone pauses about thirty seconds and moves on. Normal right?
My turn, she looks at my NY tags,Have you any fresh fruits or vegetables on board?"
"No we Don,t"
"w
When was the last time this vehicle was in Ny?"
"About 8or9weeks ago."
She then grabs a flashlight and inspection miror and gives the undercarriage of both truck and trailer a thorough going over. She then does a second tour inspecting the roof area.
I was quite surprised,but oh well not an imposition.
"I would like to inspect the interior"
"Not with out a warrant"
"Sir Weare trying to protect our agricultural resources"
"I understand that,bbut you are not entering my trailer without a warrant !"
She gave me a look that could kill,and entered her both and made a phone call.
Minute is so later she comes out,shoves a handful of invasive critter literature into my hand and said,"move on"
Has anyone else been subjected to such nonsense,or did this inspector just have a bone for New Yorkers?