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- NoelExplorerPossibly...horse meat in some products ? Cattle are not dispatched with Pentobarbital, I don't think.
- BCSnobExplorerthe plot thickens....
Evanger's expands recall because of dog food with euthanasia drug
Evanger's independent lab testing found pentobarbital AND horse meat in the canned food; but horse meat would not have come from a USDA inspected processor selling for human consumption.
FDA inspected the meat processor listed as Evanger's meat source and found "systems in place to prevent euthanized animals from getting into the food stream" and the FDA went even further to state that the meat used in the recalled canned food did not come from a USDA inspected processor of human-grade meat.
Another report indicates that the FDA requested species testing on the collected canned food from the owner of the dog that died. "Agency speciation testing confirmed that the adulterated product was bovine (beef). Trace amounts of pork and equine were also found, but both were less than 2 percent and therefore not reportable."
http://www.petfoodindustry.com/articles/6292-drug-and-horse-meat-in-evangers-dog-food-still-a-mystery
"However, the FDA reviewed a bill of lading from Evanger’s supplier for ‘Inedible Hand Deboned Beef - For Pet Food Use Only. Not Fit For Human Consumption’ and determined that the supplier’s facility does not have a grant of inspection from the United States Department of Agriculture’s Food Safety and Inspection Service"
(FDA calling out Evanger's on a lie)
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2017/02/dog-food-meat-supplier-aces-inspection-investigation-ongoing/#.WLgVDU0zWUl
“Although this was not an FSIS regulated-product, FDA requested that FSIS conduct speciation testing for Evanger’s Hunk of Beef dog food product,” the spokesperson said. “FSIS was contacted by FDA after they had determined that the Pentobarbital dog food product was adulterated with Pentobarbital. Agency speciation testing confirmed that the adulterated product was bovine (beef). Trace amounts of pork and equine were also found, but both were less than 2 percent and therefore not reportable.”
(FDA implying Evanger's is overstating horse meat claim) - BCSnobExplorerManufactured in same plant as Evanger's?
Yes, same address for headquarters of both companies.
Different manufacturing times for these two recalls. - Pawz4meExplorerAgainst the Grain is recalling some of their food due to the possibility of pentobarbital contamination.
- dturmModerator
BCSnob wrote:
I did a little investigating on pentobarbital
The ld50 for dogs is 80mg/kg
The recommended euthanasia dose for cows is 85mg/kg
If a cow was euthanasia with pentobarbital and the drug was evenly distributed throughout the cows body (which is what my reading suggests occurs) the beef would be contaminated at 85mg/kg.
In order for a dog to get a leathal dose of pentobarbital from contaminated beef it would need to eat consume its body weight in the contaminated beef.
It just does not add up that the contamination in the canned food came from a euthanasized cow being used for the beef chunks.
Thanks for doing the investigation, I was thinking the same thing. I'm not sure the pentobarb would be evenly distributed though. It works to stop the heart and respiration and I would think that blood levels in the heart (first off the major vessels) and brain would be greatest and muscle much less due to the circulatory failure. If true, that would make the tissue levels much lower and they would have to eat even more to reach LD50. - BCSnobExplorerI did a little investigating on pentobarbital
The ld50 for dogs is 80mg/kg
The recommended euthanasia dose for cows is 85mg/kg
If a cow was euthanasia with pentobarbital and the drug was evenly distributed throughout the cows body (which is what my reading suggests occurs) the beef would be contaminated at 85mg/kg.
In order for a dog to get a leathal dose of pentobarbital from contaminated beef it would need to eat consume its body weight in the contaminated beef.
It just does not add up that the contamination in the canned food came from a euthanasized cow being used for the beef chunks. - BCSnobExplorerA description of how canned pet food is made
http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/news/How-Canned-Dog-Food-Is-Manufactured-20393-1.html
How could just a few cans be contaminated when the entire batch is mixed? - NoelExplorerSee www.foodsafetynews.com
- BumpyroadExploreron the TV news this am, the commentator mentioned microbial contamination. could have just been the unwise talking to the unknowing however.
I mean pseudomonas does sound a lot like pentobarbital. :)
bumpy - BCSnobExplorerwhat are the likely ways pentobarbital could get into a pet food processing plant?
Contaminated ingredients
The drug brought into the plant
Everyone is focused on the beef, but canned food has other ingredients than beef chunks.
Pentobarbital is a prescribed drug to treat a few conditions in addition to a euthanasia drug.
Another question is how did just a few cans from a large batch of many cans apparently become contaminated (based upon only one reported household of sick dogs)? I believe the process is to make a very large batch of the food and then fill cans; for just a few cans to be contaminated suggests it occurred after the large batch was mixed or during canning. Unless an ingredient is added after mixing or at canning one would suspect the drug came from another source than ingredients.
Think about it this way. You made 2 dozen oatmeal raisin cookies from the same batch of batter. 5 cookies ended up tasting bitter. How could only 5 cookies taste bitter?
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