How long should a battery last?

my oem starter battery on my car is 10 years old.

groundhogy wrote:
Lead-acid (standard) lasts 4-5 yrs.
Where its hot like Arizona, they last 2-4 yrs

I lived in Mesa, AZ for several years. I never had a battery last two full Summers. My cars were exposed so that did not help. Maybe I would have made it 2-3 years under a carport or in a garage. High heat kills batteries much faster than the cold.

Lead-acid (standard) lasts 4-5 yrs.
Where its hot like Arizona, they last 2-4 yrs

swimmer_spe wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:
ahh that's where you Americans have a huge advantage. We cannot just drive a unit onto government land unless it is designated for "camping" and in that case it is called a recreation area or some other name and there are rules and fees of some sort... Sometimes they are free. Otherwise, you're limited to provincial or private campgrounds.

Maybe Ontario is different.

Ontario is *very* different, all public land, Federal or Provincial land is open to camping unless specifically prohibited. This is usually just environmental lands, wildlife preserves and that sort of thing. It is also open to off-roading, in fact multi-day ATV / SxS trips and camping on public land is a very popular pastime here.

Hence why my friend brings a generator. We go hunting for a week and camp at a lakefront site that would rival most provincial, state and federal/national park.

thats cool, is it a public land or some ones land they own?

JaxDad wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:
ahh that's where you Americans have a huge advantage. We cannot just drive a unit onto government land unless it is designated for "camping" and in that case it is called a recreation area or some other name and there are rules and fees of some sort... Sometimes they are free. Otherwise, you're limited to provincial or private campgrounds.

Maybe Ontario is different.

Ontario is *very* different, all public land, Federal or Provincial land is open to camping unless specifically prohibited. This is usually just environmental lands, wildlife preserves and that sort of thing. It is also open to off-roading, in fact multi-day ATV / SxS trips and camping on public land is a very popular pastime here.

ya the law is similar here, they just prohibit it in most places haha. How are the provincial sites going to make money if people are just going to crown land? Plus, all the forestry companies ban it on their lease land until they're done in that area. and if you're in a national or provincial parks, it is all banned except in campgrounds, which is most of BC.... well anywhere you can get to with a vehicle anyways haha

Grit dog wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:

ewarnerusa wrote:
If he's boondocking the way I think of boondocking, he won't be in a campground with rules but rather a dispersed spot with only the neighbors he traveled with. I do realize there are campgrounds without hookups so valid points on generator hours/rules.

ahh that's where you Americans have a huge advantage. We cannot just drive a unit onto government land unless it is designated for "camping" and in that case it is called a recreation area or some other name and there are rules and fees of some sort... Sometimes they are free. Otherwise, you're limited to provincial or private campgrounds. Maybe Ontario is different. I do know some private campground where you can run your genny during daylight hours but those are becoming extinct out here anyways and I am thankful for that. To me a genny is for emergency use as there's nothing more anoying than hearing a genny fire up when you're trying to enjoy the fire and drinks. and yes, even the quiet ones carry the sound a long way in the woods.

This can vary a bit with different areas I just know about BC and Alberta. There are places you can go in BC for free and on government lands, but you are limited to hiking and tent camping. there are ways to camp for free in places but it's a gamble if you're going to get woken up and told to move along and its definitely not light a fire and start drinking type of camping haha

Oops , I guess we were criminals…boondocked in BC for a few nights on our way to Alaska….
Didn’t know that Trudeau didn’t allow it…but only thing to kick us out of camp was our alarm clocks and 1 grizzly bear.

I have done it too, sometimes you get away with it, sometimes you don't. Years and years ago it was harder as the cops seemed to have nothing else to do. Nowadays if you can find a hidden place and just basically go to sleep, you'll probably never be seen. rest stops don't seem to be patrolled anymore either. I hate paying for a campground when I am not staying. so, rest stops, some Walmart's (a lot are not allowing overnight stopping now) Costco are all fair game for me to pull over when I am tired and go to bed, so I can just leave again in the morning. but that's not boondocking IMO.

To me boondocking is camping where you can have a fire (real of propane depending on restrictions) set up your lawn chairs and BBQ and have some drinks for a few days because you're allowed to camp there legally.

Maybe it means something different in the US, if so let me know.

JaxDad wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:
ahh that's where you Americans have a huge advantage. We cannot just drive a unit onto government land unless it is designated for "camping" and in that case it is called a recreation area or some other name and there are rules and fees of some sort... Sometimes they are free. Otherwise, you're limited to provincial or private campgrounds.

Maybe Ontario is different.

Ontario is *very* different, all public land, Federal or Provincial land is open to camping unless specifically prohibited. This is usually just environmental lands, wildlife preserves and that sort of thing. It is also open to off-roading, in fact multi-day ATV / SxS trips and camping on public land is a very popular pastime here.

Hence why my friend brings a generator. We go hunting for a week and camp at a lakefront site that would rival most provincial, state and federal/national park.

StirCrazy wrote:
ahh that's where you Americans have a huge advantage. We cannot just drive a unit onto government land unless it is designated for "camping" and in that case it is called a recreation area or some other name and there are rules and fees of some sort... Sometimes they are free. Otherwise, you're limited to provincial or private campgrounds.

Maybe Ontario is different.

Ontario is *very* different, all public land, Federal or Provincial land is open to camping unless specifically prohibited. This is usually just environmental lands, wildlife preserves and that sort of thing. It is also open to off-roading, in fact multi-day ATV / SxS trips and camping on public land is a very popular pastime here.

JimK-NY wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:


so only one maybe two if we stretch it, of those situations would I consider boon docking or even camping for that matter.

There are a few spots in BC, but none that I would give up on a public forum.

This thread was about camping without hook ups, specifically without electricity. I would not want to argue about what is boon docking and what is stealth camping, or for that matter even try to define "camping". Back in the day, camping had something to do with a tent.

My point is simple. There are plenty of places to stay even in Western Canada without being in an RV park or improved park with electricity. Personally I prefer my camping or stays if you prefer to be outside of those areas.

I don't think I gave away any special spots on a public forum. The free overflow in Jasper and the hidden away spot in Banff are probably long gone. Even the parking lot immediately down the stairs from the Athabasca lodge area may not be available.

I don't think I gave away any special spots, but it hardly matters. Online information is now readily available without being on the ground and scouting out places. Out of curiosity, I looked at an online source for free camping in your area of Kamloops. In addition to the Costco, rest stop and Flying J, there are quite a few locations on lake shores and remote areas that seem like they might be attractive. Over a dozen locations are listed within about 50km of Kamloops.

BTW, in the US we don't say "government" lands. We call them public lands which reflects the idea that they belong to the people.

As the OP, I got my answers a few pages back...

StirCrazy wrote:


so only one maybe two if we stretch it, of those situations would I consider boon docking or even camping for that matter.

There are a few spots in BC, but none that I would give up on a public forum.

This thread was about camping without hook ups, specifically without electricity. I would not want to argue about what is boon docking and what is stealth camping, or for that matter even try to define "camping". Back in the day, camping had something to do with a tent.

My point is simple. There are plenty of places to stay even in Western Canada without being in an RV park or improved park with electricity. Personally I prefer my camping or stays if you prefer to be outside of those areas.

I don't think I gave away any special spots on a public forum. The free overflow in Jasper and the hidden away spot in Banff are probably long gone. Even the parking lot immediately down the stairs from the Athabasca lodge area may not be available.

I don't think I gave away any special spots, but it hardly matters. Online information is now readily available without being on the ground and scouting out places. Out of curiosity, I looked at an online source for free camping in your area of Kamloops. In addition to the Costco, rest stop and Flying J, there are quite a few locations on lake shores and remote areas that seem like they might be attractive. Over a dozen locations are listed within about 50km of Kamloops.

BTW, in the US we don't say "government" lands. We call them public lands which reflects the idea that they belong to the people.