Yes, there will be occasional issues. Growing pains, just like you said.
Like I said - when Sn Fransisco goes dark for 7 hours, the power company just lost hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue from electricity they were not able to sell. There is a huge financial incentive for electrical companies to stay ahead of this, and I think they will.
The sky is not falling, and it's not going to fall.
Steve
Like I said - when Sn Fransisco goes dark for 7 hours, the power company just lost hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue from electricity they were not able to sell. There is a huge financial incentive for electrical companies to stay ahead of this, and I think they will.
The sky is not falling, and it's not going to fall.
Steve
Deal with GENERATING, TRANSMISSION, AND DISTRIBUTION, FIRST.
This is suggesting that we should have supply before demand. This almost never happens.
The future is electric and self-driving. The grid is not going to fail; it will be expanded as demand increases. People will not tolerate blackouts, and electric utilities won't tolerate the lost revenue they cause.
This web site gives some estimates of the cost of blackouts:
http://radiflow.com/cost-of-a-power-outage/
They estimate that a 9-hour outage around London would cost over $500 million. There is tremendous financial incentive for electric utilities to keep robust delivery systems in place.
Electric cars are going to be cheaper and better for nearly everyone, especially commuters. For a lot of people, they already are.
Steve
MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
And, they all go home, shut off their windshield wipers and heater, pull into their (wait! I don't have a garage!) Plug into, "**** they stole my cord and outlet again!" and 500 miles of freeway congestion, draws for the 5th day of no sunshine on their $3,000 kypnohypnofantantasmagorical 10,000 kWh battery bank. Time to Rain X the solar panels. Hail? Oh my god! No!
They do make 30-amp 120vac connectors, but this is a major phase load on a 240 volt service. 30x120 = 3,600 va. How large are those automobile battery banks? You say you wanted to out for dinner? And Kissmybutt Inc. your employer says putting charger ports in employee parking lots will happen right after you get your platinum Rolex Oyster for 10 years of faithful service.
Or you can head to a charger port station right after work. Fifty stalls and only fourteen cars ahead of you. Whadd'ya mean there are thirty six million cars in L.A. going to need an eye-opener for a ride home? Home. You know, where anything left outside overnight is appraised for its copper value?
"Hello. AAA? Help! Someone pried off my charger cap in the Amazon stick and brick and sucked my battery dry". Laugh on, DC to DC converters are cheap.
Picking at this is fun. It's like bringing a globe to a flat-earth society convention. Or a Moon Rock to a conspiracy theorist's Love In.
But what isn't fun is listening to the psychobabble of Moonbeam and his Manson-intense cult of "believers" who insist those whom question royal mandates should go home, kick off their shoes and fire-up a quarter-pounder.
Electric cars are neat. I love the idea. Given the CURRENT state of Free Love for electric cars in California, I would not hesitate to own one if my infrastructure supported it. Zere's a lot of if's in ziss dream fantasy. It's when an addled George Orwell demands everyone join his conga line is where I draw my line.
Although I do donโt get most of the above, why would an EV driver have to shut down their wipers and heater?
And, they all go home, shut off their windshield wipers and heater, pull into their (wait! I don't have a garage!) Plug into, "**** they stole my cord and outlet again!" and 500 miles of freeway congestion, draws for the 5th day of no sunshine on their $3,000 kypnohypnofantantasmagorical 10,000 kWh battery bank. Time to Rain X the solar panels. Hail? Oh my god! No!
They do make 30-amp 120vac connectors, but this is a major phase load on a 240 volt service. 30x120 = 3,600 va. How large are those automobile battery banks? You say you wanted to out for dinner? And Kissmybutt Inc. your employer says putting charger ports in employee parking lots will happen right after you get your platinum Rolex Oyster for 10 years of faithful service.
Or you can head to a charger port station right after work. Fifty stalls and only fourteen cars ahead of you. Whadd'ya mean there are thirty six million cars in L.A. going to need an eye-opener for a ride home? Home. You know, where anything left outside overnight is appraised for its copper value?
"Hello. AAA? Help! Someone pried off my charger cap in the Amazon stick and brick and sucked my battery dry". Laugh on, DC to DC converters are cheap.
Picking at this is fun. It's like bringing a globe to a flat-earth society convention. Or a Moon Rock to a conspiracy theorist's Love In.
But what isn't fun is listening to the psychobabble of Moonbeam and his Manson-intense cult of "believers" who insist those whom question royal mandates should go home, kick off their shoes and fire-up a quarter-pounder.
Electric cars are neat. I love the idea. Given the CURRENT state of Free Love for electric cars in California, I would not hesitate to own one if my infrastructure supported it. Zere's a lot of if's in ziss dream fantasy. It's when an addled George Orwell demands everyone join his conga line is where I draw my line.
pianotuna wrote:Good morning Piano Tuna. You won't have any problem charging an electric vehicle with a 15 amp 120 volt. It just goes sloooow. So in other words when you get home you plug it in. Depending on the size of the battery you may have a full charge in the morning or not. If you just do normal commuting you won't have any problem with just your 120 volt plug. If you need a charge faster for an unexpected trip you can either pop into a fast charger. If there is none available there will be a level 2 charge point available somewhere at a mall or restaurant or city hall or library etc that although will not be a DC fast charge experience it will be at least 6 times faster than your home plug. All EV's come with a 120 EVSE for that reason. SO you can charge at home.
The grid is decrepit. In 1957 an 1100 square foot apartment only required a 40 amp service. A building with 43 suites has a main fuse of only 1000 amps. How do I know? I just paid for upgrading to 70 amps which including drawing #3 wire in a 1 inch conduit for 100 feet (with two bends).
I would be hard pressed to charge an electric car from the 15 amp service to my parking spot--but I hope to be able to afford to do so some day.
Here is a picture of two EVSE's. The one on the left is 120 volts and selectable for 8 or 12 amps. We used it for the first year we had an EV. We bought the 240 volt 10 KW unit on the right when we got our second EV. Its also user selectable via software.
