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Rear View Camera - UPDATE-

BFL13
Explorer II
Explorer II
Updates 5 Jan 21, 8 Jan, Booster idea 11 Jan,
New camera -now one for each RV -26 July.

If this is supposed to be in the technology section, the Moderators can sort it all out ๐Ÿ™‚

Anyway we can't see out the back of the truck camper and only out half the back window in the Class C while driving. Apparently you can get a dash camera or maybe a back-up camera that has a display unit with it, and hang that from your rear view mirror. True?

It might even be possible to use your cell phone somehow as the display, but in BC you will be arrested and locked away for life for using a cell phone while driving, so I don't know abut that! No idea if they would consider the display on the mirror as a "distraction" either.

What is the real story, and if true (whichever part), how do you rig it up? Thanks.
1. 1991 Oakland 28DB Class C
on Ford E350-460-7.5 Gas EFI
Photo in Profile
2. 1991 Bighorn 9.5ft Truck Camper on 2003 Chev 2500HD 6.0 Gas
See Profile for Electronic set-ups for 1. and 2.
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NRALIFR
Explorer
Explorer
Just about anywhere you put a backup camera, itโ€™s going to get dirty when it rains. Itโ€™s especially bad in the winter when the roads are covered with slush, dirty water, salt, sand, etc. Mine is above the entry door on the back of the camper, and I have to clean itโ€™s lens off once or twice a day when itโ€™s wet and sloppy out.

Your topic got me to thinking about how many cameras Iโ€™ve had on the camper. Turns out Iโ€™ve had three. The first one I bought from a dealer on eBay. It was a relatively low-res hardwired camera, and it had an IR array that helped at night because the reverse lights on the camper were not that great. The date on this image is 2012, so that would have been when I had my first F450 pickup (a black 2010). I didnโ€™t know of anyone who sold a custom cable to connect it to the tailgate camera cable, so I made one.



I think it lasted less than two years before the image became unstable and started rolling. I replaced it with a higher res unit from Camera Source on a clearance sale. It still had an IR array and the image was very good. When I got my current truck, I used the same camera connected to the tailgate camera connector. I think I had to move one wire on the cable I made to match the pin out of the new trucks plug.

That camera worked good on the new truck, or so I thought. After a few trips, I started having problems with it not turning on. I called CS and spoke to their tech support, and I remember them telling me โ€œOh, that camera is a low-voltage model. You shouldnโ€™t be using that, you should have this oneโ€. I donโ€™t know what they meant by that and I donโ€™t remember anything โ€œlow voltageโ€ in its description when I bought it, but I bought yet a third camera.

Trouble is, after a few trips it started not turning on occasionally as well. :M It took a while before I realized that it was only not turning on when it was dark enough that it also needed to turn on the IR array. For a while, I was working around that by having the boss shine a bright flashlight at it as I shifted into reverse when it was dark, to fool it into just turning the camera on first without the IR LEDโ€™s. Talk about a PITA though, not to mention a great way to start an argument. In the meantime, I had installed some kick-butt reverse lights on the camper.





After a few trips using those mini arc-lights (and liking them a lot), it occurred to me that I really donโ€™t need those IR LEDโ€™s any longer, and since the new truck for some reason doesnโ€™t like them turning on with the camera, I should just disable them. I took that third camera apart, and found that it was really horrible assembly on the inside. No plug connections at all, just soldered wires. Stacks of nylon washers for stand-offs. I tried clipping the wires going to the LED board, but that wasnโ€™t enough. The truck still wouldnโ€™t turn the camera on if it was dark.

I got the second (low-voltage) camera out of my stash, and took it apart. It was much better constructed on the inside. Mini plug connectors, and proper stand-offs between the camera board and the IR array board. I unplugged the array board, and now that โ€œlow voltageโ€ camera is back on the camper. It turns on every time, even in the dark. The new reverse lights provide plenty of light for the camera at night now.

Nothingโ€™s easy. :B

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BFL13
Explorer II
Explorer II
It makes driving so much better, being able to see behind you! Some things, so far.
-It is not distracting and in your face, so it is perfect for that.
- Cars appear father back than they do in the side mirrors. Have to learn what is real for distances.
-My "driving" glasses (upper bifocals) are not right for the display distance but good enough. Hard to make out cars clearly that are still way back until they get closer behind.
- The time delay reported before affects things a little. You see a car starting to pass on the left, and there it is in the side mirror up beside you! How did he get there so fast? ๐Ÿ™‚
-If you pass, you want to get back in front of the car you passed. Side mirror is for that still! The rear view camera shows it sort of, but I can't tell if it safe to get over from that. With the time delay, I think that means you are farther past him than it looks, but I find it confusing so the side mirror is what counts.
-Bright sunshine in the side window makes it hard to see anything on the display.
-I expect trouble in rain when the back window gets messy from the vortex like it does making it hard for the camera to see. Have to keep the back window clean whenever there is a chance. (I don't know what happens with the camera outside like it is supposed to be--how would you clean off the lens with it up there by a clearance light?)
-It does help backing up for sure. It has those lanes you can push a button to get, which I don't use (side mirror for that), but it is good just to know there is not a car that snuck in behind you since you got in the MH.

First impressions for now, but I am very pleased with it. ๐Ÿ™‚
1. 1991 Oakland 28DB Class C
on Ford E350-460-7.5 Gas EFI
Photo in Profile
2. 1991 Bighorn 9.5ft Truck Camper on 2003 Chev 2500HD 6.0 Gas
See Profile for Electronic set-ups for 1. and 2.

BFL13
Explorer II
Explorer II
Turns out there is a "button" you can push on the side of the picture that turns the camera lights on and off. Picture is quite clear through the glass now with the lights off. ๐Ÿ™‚ (It is not dark like in my photo, which is at a bad angle for the iPad.)

Off tomorrow for a couple days up-Island between monsoons, so should learn how this thing works in real life. It is just to look out the back window same as the rear view mirror does; it does not replace the side mirrors. It does have a wide angle look out the back though so more view than the real rear view mirror would have. We'll see!

That 100ft out back view was just to the end of our driveway for the wifi connection test--could have gone farther, but you can see farther back. I will know how that goes once I get out on the road how far back you can see cars.

Yes, there must be a clever tech thing for boosting the wifi, but I don't know it. Ask a 13 year old! ๐Ÿ™‚
1. 1991 Oakland 28DB Class C
on Ford E350-460-7.5 Gas EFI
Photo in Profile
2. 1991 Bighorn 9.5ft Truck Camper on 2003 Chev 2500HD 6.0 Gas
See Profile for Electronic set-ups for 1. and 2.

StirCrazy
Moderator
Moderator
BFL13 wrote:


I mounted the camera on a piece of wood and can move the piece of wood between RVs. You don't need two of the OEM holders.


ya, I would want two brackets so I can mount it like they show in there video. It would drive me batty if I saw sun glare reflections or raindrops on the window ๐Ÿ™‚ I wonder if one could use some sort of wifi repeater with it.....

Steve
2014 F350 6.7 Platinum
2016 Cougar 330RBK
1991 Slumber Queen WS100

BFL13
Explorer II
Explorer II
I think you would want two devices--one for the rear view mirror job, and the other being your actual device.

You have to go the app store and get the free Hopkins app installed on your device. You could get that on more than one of your devices I suppose. You get your device to select the Hopkins wifi so it is on that, and they give you a password. You only have to use the password the first time. Your device can only be on one hotspot at a time and now you are on that.

I don't know the technology for wifi boosters for how they boost a particular signal.

I use the old iPad no longer in use for the mirror display, but I have a smart cell phone that is for "real" stuff. (Except it is not to be used when on the road of course.) So no conflict with hot spots for the cell phone. It can do data on the carrier's that you pay for, or else free hotspots if any around.
1. 1991 Oakland 28DB Class C
on Ford E350-460-7.5 Gas EFI
Photo in Profile
2. 1991 Bighorn 9.5ft Truck Camper on 2003 Chev 2500HD 6.0 Gas
See Profile for Electronic set-ups for 1. and 2.

dedmiston
Moderator
Moderator
What can you say about the networking? Does it create its own SSID that your mobile device has to connect to, or can it connect to another network where all your devices can access it?

I have a WiFi camera on the rear of my off-road car (there's no visibility out the back of the CanAm), but I'm not crazy about it. It creates its own network SSID, so my iPad can only connect to the cam and can't see my hotspot.

I have a great hotspot in my fiver and I can connect to it from the cab of my pickup. If the cam could see the hotspot and my tablet can see the hotspot from the cab, then this would work for me. But if the cam generates its own named network, I'd have two strikes against me, because I don't like that network setup and I'm sure I wouldn't be able to access the camera's network at the rear of my 45' fiver.

This looks pretty interesting though.

I'm glad you found a solution you're happy with.

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BFL13
Explorer II
Explorer II
I don't have a for sure answer on the wifi for a long 5er.

I was able to walk about 100ft back from the back window camera and still see myself on the iPad. I was able to go out front of the MH about 20 ft and still got the picture from near 50ft, but off to the side with more MH in the way, not the front window see right through, I lost the signal. However, I got behind the truck with camper on it with the front of the truck to the back quarter of the MH for about 35 ft or so and got the signal.

It goes with line of sight but also with barriers in the way what you get. I think at 50 ft it might be spotty, hard to know.

Discovered it has a time delay if that matters for a rear view. I could see myself move and stop, and the picture caught up after I stopped. I counted one, two, but before I said two it caught up.

I mounted the camera on a piece of wood and can move the piece of wood between RVs. You don't need two of the OEM holders.



1. 1991 Oakland 28DB Class C
on Ford E350-460-7.5 Gas EFI
Photo in Profile
2. 1991 Bighorn 9.5ft Truck Camper on 2003 Chev 2500HD 6.0 Gas
See Profile for Electronic set-ups for 1. and 2.

StirCrazy
Moderator
Moderator
BFL13 wrote:
I got one! ๐Ÿ™‚


Ta da! What a neat gizmo! ๐Ÿ™‚ Note a reviewer said there is a distance limit of about 40 ft for the wifi so he had trouble with his 35 ft 5er and the truck length, but no problem with our set-ups.


would you be able to get it going and start walking infront of your tuck and see what range you get? I would like one I could switch between my camper and 5th wheel ,and with the mounting bracket it uses that would be awsome if you could get a second mounting bracket. only problem is from the back of my 5th to the dash of my truck it is about 50 feet.

Steve
2014 F350 6.7 Platinum
2016 Cougar 330RBK
1991 Slumber Queen WS100

StirCrazy
Moderator
Moderator
BFL13 wrote:
Update 5 Jan 21


but in BC you will be arrested and locked away for life for using a cell phone while driving, so I don't know abut that! No idea if they would consider the display on the mirror as a "distraction" either.
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if it is in the cup holder or on your lap or in your hand when you are using it yes you will get the big fine. if you have a mounting atachment for your phone so it is hard mounted to the dash by tabs or magnets then it is considered a display and you can use it as a gps or if you have a wifi or bluetooth back up camera you could use it for that as it is just a display at that point.

this was sored out in the summer with the lady in van who got a ticket for having her phone charging in the cupholder. it was off and she got a ticket which was throwen out in court.

Steve
2014 F350 6.7 Platinum
2016 Cougar 330RBK
1991 Slumber Queen WS100

BFL13
Explorer II
Explorer II
I got one! ๐Ÿ™‚

I chose this and it works great

https://hopkinstowingsolutions.com/products/towing-cameras/50050.html

They have a good video there so you can see how it works.

It has a short wire from the camera that takes 12v. They suggest attaching to an upper back clearance light for the view and also perhaps to make it really hard to steal.

I wanted to just keep it inside looking out the back window and get 12v to it another way. Done. So it is portable to use in whichever RV we are using. It sees out the window just fine. Need to make a stand for it that stays in place.

One thing is the window reflects the camera lights which you have to ignore. Water drops on window, ignore. The MH has those dark windows, so the picture there is sort of gloomy, but it is clearer with the TC.

Display is to your "device" you must use somehow while driving. I have an older small iPad that I attach to the rear view mirror with elastic bands. Portable to the truck or the MH. Plugs in to the dash cig lighter socket for keeping it charged.

You get the free app on your device (needs IOS 8 or Android 6 or newer), and select the Hopkins wifi--they give you a password in the instruction manual that comes with the camera.

Ta da! What a neat gizmo! ๐Ÿ™‚ Note a reviewer said there is a distance limit of about 40 ft for the wifi so he had trouble with his 35 ft 5er and the truck length, but no problem with our set-ups.
1. 1991 Oakland 28DB Class C
on Ford E350-460-7.5 Gas EFI
Photo in Profile
2. 1991 Bighorn 9.5ft Truck Camper on 2003 Chev 2500HD 6.0 Gas
See Profile for Electronic set-ups for 1. and 2.

Bert_the_Welder
Explorer II
Explorer II
BFL13 wrote:
"The investigation is continuing and police are asking that anyone with dash cam footage of the incident contact the Nanaimo RCMP"

I have seen a few of these requests in the news lately after car crashes, etc. Makes you think the police are ok with dash cams. I don't know if that includes rear view cams on while driving.

Are dash cams looking forward displayed all the time? If so that seems not to count as a "distraction" based on these requests. Beats me!


Dash cams mostly don't have screens, so doesn't count as distracted driving. Nav's don't count as long as you're not muckin' about with it while driving.

For the most part, it's cell phone users they are after. It's the fact people get engrossed having to read and type that takes away their attention for too long. Things like nav's are usually a quick glance and most talk to you anyway.

I think somewhere in Germany, maybe, they brought in distracted driving laws. But politicians being idiots, they failed to exempt cars built with all digital touch screen controls, like Tesla's. So owners are getting big fines for turning off the window heater.....

"Dash cams" seem to be the term for both front and rear facing video cameras.

To be honest, chief, if it was me, I'd put it in and just go on your merry way. Really, won could easily argue that it's a safety devise given the use with a camper on. As long as you are tapping away on the screen like a 15 yr/old on lunch break, you'll be fine.
:h 1998 GMC 2500, 10.5 Okanagan, My better/smarter half, George and Finnegan(APBT), all I need.

BFL13
Explorer II
Explorer II
"The investigation is continuing and police are asking that anyone with dash cam footage of the incident contact the Nanaimo RCMP"

I have seen a few of these requests in the news lately after car crashes, etc. Makes you think the police are ok with dash cams. I don't know if that includes rear view cams on while driving.

Are dash cams looking forward displayed all the time? If so that seems not to count as a "distraction" based on these requests. Beats me!
1. 1991 Oakland 28DB Class C
on Ford E350-460-7.5 Gas EFI
Photo in Profile
2. 1991 Bighorn 9.5ft Truck Camper on 2003 Chev 2500HD 6.0 Gas
See Profile for Electronic set-ups for 1. and 2.

Seon
Explorer II
Explorer II
I bought from Amazon for less than $100 a wireless rear cam for my TT that doesn't freeze and gets great reception between camera mounted on my trailer parked 100' and the 5" monitor in my TV when I first set them up.

Was so impressed that I ordered another and mounted the camera on my boat which allowed me to view tailgaters as well as backing down the launch ramp.

Bert_the_Welder
Explorer II
Explorer II
BFL13 wrote:
The Mountie I was talking to did call me back. Was unable to get hold of the senior Traffic guy at the time to get a proper answer. I will try again in the new year. I spent my camera money on a second SiO2 battery so the camera idea is on hold for now.

Good idea to have one set of camera and display with two wiring sets. I did that with my Trimetric battery monitor, where each RV has the shunt and wire and I move the display back and forth. I used four-pin trailer connections on the Trimetric wiring so it is easy to plug in the display in whichever RV I need it. I don't know what sort of wires these cameras use, but some version of that would work. Maybe MC4s or whatever.

Kind of dumb to put the camera in a truck's tailgate. I never used our OEM tailgate when we had the 5er (had a 5er type with the notch), and not with the truck camper either.

There must be a plug-in for the camera when you take off the tailgate, so that would show what kind of plug-in to use.


More batt is more batt. Can't go wrong there. :)Keep us posted how they work out with your usage. Always good to get a fellow northerner perspective, esp. when it comes to solar and batt charging. Info for sunny climate southerners just doesn't apply as solar is lower here and we get more cloud cover and usually camp around really big trees. Ha Ha!
I this the back-up cam is in the tailgate for best point of view. Yes, I assume the gate will have some sort of wire harness/plug. Power remote control tail gate open is an option as well. So don't know if it will all be integrated into one plug or separate plugs. In any case, would be something someone can figure out. I just figured the cam would be handy as backing up my 98 GMC 2500 ext. cab is going to seam easy compared to the way bigger F350 crew cab, LB dually. Yikes! That and loading the new camper, I'm gonna wish I didn't quit smoking and drinking after that first load up! XD

Something else to consider. If you find a camera that works with a phone as the screen, if you have an old phone kicking around, you could use that so your not using your primary phone. I use my old phones as internet radio players to hook up to stereos at the shop and my house. You pretty much need a new one every 3 yrs anyway as the security updates run out. So might as well get some use out of them.
:h 1998 GMC 2500, 10.5 Okanagan, My better/smarter half, George and Finnegan(APBT), all I need.

BFL13
Explorer II
Explorer II
The Mountie I was talking to did call me back. Was unable to get hold of the senior Traffic guy at the time to get a proper answer. I will try again in the new year. I spent my camera money on a second SiO2 battery so the camera idea is on hold for now.

Good idea to have one set of camera and display with two wiring sets. I did that with my Trimetric battery monitor, where each RV has the shunt and wire and I move the display back and forth. I used four-pin trailer connections on the Trimetric wiring so it is easy to plug in the display in whichever RV I need it. I don't know what sort of wires these cameras use, but some version of that would work. Maybe MC4s or whatever.

Kind of dumb to put the camera in a truck's tailgate. I never used our OEM tailgate when we had the 5er (had a 5er type with the notch), and not with the truck camper either.

There must be a plug-in for the camera when you take off the tailgate, so that would show what kind of plug-in to use.
1. 1991 Oakland 28DB Class C
on Ford E350-460-7.5 Gas EFI
Photo in Profile
2. 1991 Bighorn 9.5ft Truck Camper on 2003 Chev 2500HD 6.0 Gas
See Profile for Electronic set-ups for 1. and 2.