stopped by tool town today and they had a 2200/1800 watt generator for $579 or so that could be paralleled. the clerk claimed they were quiet. the Home Depot ad was $599 and claimed that they were "quieter than a conversation". :)bumpy

Quieter is subjective, that's why we use DB rating as a standard. Since the chance it will run a AC unit are slim and most don't cook turkeys in the microwave while camping, I would think the generator would be in ECO mode most of the time. It may not be the quietest while charging but I bet it's quieter than my 3500/4000.

1200$ paralleled, 44/3600 watts. can't find a spec sheet for noise level. But I read on the web that it was quieter than conversation, and that never lies.found it on the HD web site. 3 year warranty, 57 lbs., 63 DB, inverter, and HD has a 30 day return policy if it is too loud.bumpy

Bumpyroad wrote:1200$ paralleled, 44/3600 watts. can't find a spec sheet for noise level. But I read on the web that it was quieter than conversation, and that never lies.found it on the HD web site. 3 year warranty, 57 lbs., 63 DB, inverter, and HD has a 30 day return policy if it is too loud.bumpySome of us are hard of hearing, and some of us talk louder than others.That said, those DB specs are not all that good for a inverter type generator.As an aside, though the market is getting a lot more inverter generator makers interested... None so far has overall beat Hondas aging design.. Most aren't even very close.

That makes me wonder, because more people want a quiet generator, and if there were patents on the eu2000i, they are going to expire soon.Maybe Honda can come out with a generator the same wattage, a couple dB quieter, able to be paralled with different models and more than two, perhaps with a smart, multi-stage 12 volt charger, as well as a couple high amperage USB ports. The competition isn't there yet, but it is slowly nipping on Red's heels.

Huntindog wrote:Some of us are hard of hearing, and some of us talk louder than others.Good point. And chances are that in real use it's louder yet. So-called "quiet" Honda 2000 says 55 DB in specs, while when tested it measured over 70 DB within 25ft. DB is a logarithmic scale, 70 DB is twice as loud as 60 DB.

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JiminDenver
Explorer II
Oct 09, 2014
When I was choosing our new generator earlier this year, I found you tube very helpful. There you can find videos of the various generators running, DB comparisons, etc. After watching one video comparing the Honda 2000 to the Champion 2000, the Honda easily started a saw while running two fans while the Champ barely got the saw started while off eco mode and overloaded when the guy tried to start the saw again. So I'd have to agree with the above on the Champion.

I don't know the DB level of the Ryobi but the videos make it sound rougher than either the Champ or Honda. In contrast, Eco-worthy released a 2000w inverter model without a eco mode. It sounds like I started one of my RC planes and left it at half throttle. It's not as good as first hand experience but better than just reading DB stats in the specs.
Hybridhunter
Explorer
Oct 09, 2014
mrad wrote:
"yep, the open-framed non-inverter Champion 3500 is at least half the cost of the Ryobi and not much louder.

for less than $579, you can get the Champion 2000w inverter generator with parallel capability. and it has a 53db noise rating. "

Where are they under $579?

Costco, but....
The champion has just about zero surge ability, and no ability to run things with a wonky power factor. I have had 3 of these in our family, 2 have the "upgraded" modules, and none of them will start a basic WFCO 8955 converter with a pair of batteries below 50%.
If we disconnect the batteries, fire up the converter, connect the first battery, and then the second, it runs, but not on economy. If the batteries are below 50%, connecting 2 after doing the whole ridiculous disconnect procedure still trips the overload on the generator. All 3 were pretty much identical in this regard.

And don't anyone start by suggesting that there were other loads. EVERY breaker off, 2 campers, 3 gens, 5 different modules. It's just the way it is. Thanks goodness for Costco's good return policy.

If and when one of our champ 2000's decides it is going to work, usually by delayed reconnection of the batteries, it won't do it on economy, and it is not all that quiet on normal. In fact, my dad had a fellow camper go ape on him.
My current Champion 1200/1500 watt gen is far less disappointing. Even counting it cooking it's AVR in the middle of my wife's last week of holiday camping......
bikendan
Explorer
May 21, 2014
mrad wrote:
"yep, the open-framed non-inverter Champion 3500 is at least half the cost of the Ryobi and not much louder.

for less than $579, you can get the Champion 2000w inverter generator with parallel capability. and it has a 53db noise rating. "

Where are they under $579?

as was said, SuperGen sells them cheaper, even new ones:

https://supergenproducts.com/shop/page/2/
JiminDenver
Explorer II
May 21, 2014
Not sure about new but I believe you can get refurbished units for $399 at supergen. Most of the used ones you see on CL are $400 so at least you get some type of warranty with the refurbished.
mrad
Explorer II
May 21, 2014
"yep, the open-framed non-inverter Champion 3500 is at least half the cost of the Ryobi and not much louder.

for less than $579, you can get the Champion 2000w inverter generator with parallel capability. and it has a 53db noise rating. "

Where are they under $579?
bikendan
Explorer
May 21, 2014
JiminDenver wrote:
Bumpyroad wrote:
Almot wrote:
bikendan wrote:
heck, the open-framed Champion non-inverter generator is only 4-5db louder.

Sure... Probably upper 70-s to low 80-s if closer than 25ft. Everybody's hearing is different, but upper 70-s is what many consider "annoyingly loud", IIRC.

so it is noticeably quieter 63 vs 68 and cheaper than the champion?
bumpy

Quieter but not cheaper. The 3500/4000 goes for less than $300 and we paid $425 for electric remote start with wheels and handle.

yep, the open-framed non-inverter Champion 3500 is at least half the cost of the Ryobi and not much louder.

for less than $579, you can get the Champion 2000w inverter generator with parallel capability. and it has a 53db noise rating.
JiminDenver
Explorer II
May 21, 2014
Bumpyroad wrote:
Almot wrote:
bikendan wrote:
heck, the open-framed Champion non-inverter generator is only 4-5db louder.

Sure... Probably upper 70-s to low 80-s if closer than 25ft. Everybody's hearing is different, but upper 70-s is what many consider "annoyingly loud", IIRC.

so it is noticeably quieter 63 vs 68 and cheaper than the champion?
bumpy

Quieter but not cheaper. The 3500/4000 goes for less than $300 and we paid $425 for electric remote start with wheels and handle.
bob_nestor
Explorer III
May 21, 2014
Huntindog wrote:
Almot wrote:
Huntindog wrote:
IIRCC standard generator DB measurements are not taken at 25'.
I think it is 49'

You can measure noise level as close or as far as you like. I doubt that anybody has his generator - in a temporary weekend setting anyway - farther than 15-20ft from trailer.
There HAS to be a standard measure for comparison purposes.. You can put yours wherever you want. under your bedroom window if it suits you.

As we used to say in the computer field, "Standards are great - everyone should have them".
Huntindog
Explorer
May 21, 2014
Almot wrote:
Huntindog wrote:
IIRCC standard generator DB measurements are not taken at 25'.
I think it is 49'

You can measure noise level as close or as far as you like. I doubt that anybody has his generator - in a temporary weekend setting anyway - farther than 15-20ft from trailer.
There HAS to be a standard measure for comparison purposes.. You can put yours wherever you want. under your bedroom window if it suits you.
JiminDenver
Explorer II
May 21, 2014
Almot wrote:
bikendan wrote:
heck, the open-framed Champion non-inverter generator is only 4-5db louder.

Sure... Probably upper 70-s to low 80-s if closer than 25ft. Everybody's hearing is different, but upper 70-s is what many consider "annoyingly loud", IIRC.

Actually I ran a number of sound test on the older 3500/4000 we had from different distances and positions. At 21 feet it was pretty constant at 68 DB. Double the distance and you drop to the low 50s. Double that again and you can hear a near by bird sing. By then the DB app was reading 35-40 DB and a bird call, some wind in the trees and even a jet overhead would peak the meter above the generator noise. So at 100 feet it isn't obnoxious but it is still very annoying.

Doesn't the Royobi have a eco switch? It's pretty unfair to champion one generator because of how quiet it is while in ECO mode and then only deal with the full load noise of another.

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