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Safe to leave solar hooked to batteries unattended?

OregonTRX4
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I leave my trailer in a rural area where we camp with no hook ups. I have been looking into solar. A friend leaves his batteries hooked up to his solar and the batteries disconnected from the trailer so that they are charged when we come back to the property every 1 to two weeks. Is there any risk to this? Any known mishaps in regards to fire or something I am overlooking? It would be terrible to have something go wrong while I am not around and have it burn the property down.

Thanks.
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BFL13
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I like this one that somebody here posted. Just work the two sliders.

http://pveducation.org/pvcdrom/properties-of-sunlight/calculation-of-solar-insolation
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mena661
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NinerBikes wrote:

What data base are you using on that map, from what geographical area?
The live data appears to be from one of the various solar radiation monitoring stations. On his first link is a map of the US with the various "sun hours". Somewhere (might be on that website) on the internetz I found where you can enter a zip code and it would give you the nearest town that you could use to figure how many sun hours per day you would get in a given month. Where I live it's 5.7 sun hours in the summer. You can take the output of your panels and multiply it by the amount of sun hours to get a good gesstimate of your daily amp hour haul minus the solar irradiance (some people have solar meters to measure that).

mena661
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NinerBikes
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red31 wrote:
NinerBikes wrote:
red31 wrote:
I took a look at solar radiation maps for the time of year and locations I'm interested in visiting and came up with a multiplier of 5 (kwh/m^m/day). Imp x 5 >= to my usage


worth quoting... Care to share where you found this information with us? a 500% uprate factor?


Live data!

http://www.nrel.gov/midc/


What data base are you using on that map, from what geographical area?

red31
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NinerBikes wrote:
red31 wrote:
I took a look at solar radiation maps for the time of year and locations I'm interested in visiting and came up with a multiplier of 5 (kwh/m^m/day). Imp x 5 >= to my usage


worth quoting... Care to share where you found this information with us? a 500% uprate factor?


Live data!

http://www.nrel.gov/midc/

red31
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NinerBikes
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red31 wrote:
I took a look at solar radiation maps for the time of year and locations I'm interested in visiting and came up with a multiplier of 5 (kwh/m^m/day). Imp x 5 >= to my usage


worth quoting... Care to share where you found this information with us? a 500% uprate factor?

red31
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I took a look at solar radiation maps for the time of year and locations I'm interested in visiting and came up with a multiplier of 5 (kwh/m^m/day). Imp x 5 >= to my usage

full_mosey
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tplife wrote:
Many contemporary solar installations utilize no-maintenance AGM batteries. They are rated safe for use inside your rig, so there's no need to mount them outside or remove them to avoid casual theft - they can be mounted under the dinette or inside of cabinets at any angle without water levels to check, battery trays or venting. And their many advantages can mean their higher cost is worth the payback.


To be correct, there is maintenance. Per Deka / East Penn, my preferred mfgr; annually, you want to at least go look at them! ๐Ÿ™‚

Seriously though; if you have not observed any loss of capacity over the previous year, you can skate by for another year without peeking. The main reason for checking is to assure that connections are secure.

There has not been any credible proof that AGMs are more expensive, after purchase, over time. IMHO, wets are chaper to buy, but more expensive to own.

HTH;
John

64thunderbolt
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this is way to complicated for me. I just have a small 15w panel on the roof with a 7a controller for trickle. With the batt cutoff turned off it will keep them topprd off if I recharge when returning home. Here in the Phx area I get long days of sun. When camping I just run the gen an hr or so in the morning. I have 2 GC2's with a Boondocker 4 stage conv.
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tplife
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Many contemporary solar installations utilize no-maintenance AGM batteries. They are rated safe for use inside your rig, so there's no need to mount them outside or remove them to avoid casual theft - they can be mounted under the dinette or inside of cabinets at any angle without water levels to check, battery trays or venting. And their many advantages can mean their higher cost is worth the payback.

NinerBikes
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OregonTRX4 wrote:
NinerBikes wrote:

What is your intent... to maintain the batteries fully charged while in storage?

Disconnect the battery from the trailer in storage, buy a PWM charge controller on ebay for $10, and a 40 w panel for storage.

40w 12v panel

Buy a bigger panel if you want to recharge your batteries while camping. Calculate your daily amp usage first, then buy panels. 1 to 1.5 watts per amp you use per day.

Extensive selections of 12v panels.

I have two standard 12v deep cycle batteries but I don't have their specs right now. I would be using this system to charge my batteries while camping. My Honda eu2000i would be used for the microwave etc. I like the kits because they come setup already.


Standard 12v deep cycle battery, Group 24 DC, the small ones, are 75 amp hour rating at 20ah/hr. 2 of them would be 150 amp capacity.

This will do you just fine. In a kit, plug and play. 160W panel kit, plug and play.

160 watt solar panel kit. Portable. Plug and play.

NinerBikes
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red31 wrote:
NinerBikes wrote:

Calculate your daily amp usage first, then buy panels. 1 to 1.5 watts per amp you use per day.


I don't understand this math.

If I used 40 ah/day and bought a 60 watt panel I'd be loosing ever day unless I was in S AZ in June!


I stand corrected... 1 to 1.5 watts per amp/hr capacity of the battery.


If you use 40 amp/hrs a day, you will most likely need to replace 40amp hours, in a 6 to 8 hour solar recharge period. You therefore need about 7 amps per hour charge rate= 42 amp hours in 6 hours, plus losses experienced during the charge period in the form of parasitic losses.

To get 7 amp hours rate, you'll probably need about 130 watt poly panel, or a 140 or 150 watt mono cell panel. Throw in cloudy days, and not a full 7 hours without shade or clouds, and your margin of error eats into the charging. This is why some folks just hit the generator first thing in the morning with a good dry camping charge controller like an Iota, Progressive Dynamics or Boondocker brand charge controller. The generator and low charge level of battery is most efficient, for the amount of gas burned in the generator over a short time period of 1 to 2 hours, then they let the solar charger do the part it does best, topping things off at lower amp hour ratings, doing a finish charge.

Some folks, like RJfishing, start with 190 or 200 watts of panel, fabricate a bracket they can mount 2 panels on at 100 watts each, and aim it at the sun 2 or 3 or 4 x a day, which really maximizes the harvest or yield of energy from the sun by aiming directly at the sun for the most efficiency.

red31
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NinerBikes wrote:

Calculate your daily amp usage first, then buy panels. 1 to 1.5 watts per amp you use per day.


I don't understand this math.

If I used 40 ah/day and bought a 60 watt panel I'd be loosing ever day unless I was in S AZ in June!