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BFL13
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Sep 15, 2016

Solar Panel Specs for MPPT-- Issues

I had some "issues" come up this year with panel specs that may be of interest.

Ideally, you can check the panel specs to see if their voltages will be a match for use with MPPT so as not to confuse the tracking. However, here is what happened in real life. No idea how common this kind of thing is.

First I got a Poly Coleman (Sunforce) 100w panel, which says on the box you see in the store "100w with 5.8 amps current in ideal conditions." So Isc was 5.8 it seemed. 5.8 seemed a bit low to me since I would expect a 100w panel to have an Isc of about 6.2 amps like my old Sun 100w panels did (sold those three years ago)

Then at home, got the panel out of the box and on the back its says
Voc-21.5, Vmp- 17.1, Imp 5.8. No mention of Isc. I called Sunforce and they agreed Isc would be 6.2ish

Next (unplanned) got two Poly 100w panels at a garage sale. These twin panels made in India in 2015, say Model 100Wp:

Specs: Voc- 22.7, Isc 5.8, Vmp- 18.8, Imp 5.3.

So I figured no way these two would work with the other one so I planned to keep those two and sell the other. I even bought a new MPPT Tracer 20a controller sized to run just the two It would be over panelled with three 100s. (My older model Eco-W 20a can't even do two 12s in series--It does great with a single 255w-- but the Tracer can with its higher Voc input limit of 100v)

Later on in the year, at last I got good solar conditions to try them out. Put the Coleman next to an India one same sun angle etc, and Ta Da!

Both read 6.1a Isc and 20.3 Voc with my meter. Identical. (Voc is reduced a bit in the sun by panel heating) Both Indias confirmed identical too.

So this summer I had all three side by each in my twirler contraption using MPPT. Tried both series and parallel. No issues with MPP tracking at all. Worked great. (The 20a Tracer was over-panelled with 300w but that didn't matter-- it has a self-limiter to its rating)

In series, the controller readout in Bulk for Vmp was steady at 52v indicating each panel was near 17 Vmp (like the Coleman's rating, but way off the Indias' rating.) And in parallel, Vmp shown was steady at 17v

So the lesson is, if you are shopping for panels to "match", you should use same brand, same specs, and Hope they are indeed identical.

BUT if you already have the panels and see the specs don't match, don't give up just yet! Take them out in the sun and see what they really do--you might be ok after all.

Another lesson is the usual one that you can't always believe what you read on those spec labels. Trust but Verify :)
  • 2oldman wrote:
    pianotuna wrote:
    In series amps from panels need to be identical. I don't think there is a tolerance rule of thumb for series amps.
    Series circuits will deliver the lowest amperage of the string.


    yup, my experience also. Although differences in Vmaxpower between panels may have some affect on overall performance.

    However, the current from the panels will be identical, but the panels don't need to have the same Imax, the system will just default to the panel with the lowest current. I have two 80W and one 100W panel in series and it is basically a 240W system when in the series configuration.
  • Thanks, I knew about the lowest amps in series thing, but had not thought of it wrt MPPT tracking. I can see how it would reduce the power into the controller and so the power out and so the amps out, but IMO that is a different issue from voltage matching for Vmp which is for tracking.

    I think voltage matching for Vmp would be needed whether in series or parallel with MPPT ? Not so vital for PWM (which does not use Vmp anyway) ?
  • Hi BFL13,

    Here is a "worst case" example of connected a set of panels that are different amperages in series.

    1 amp panel in series with a 10 amp panel = output limited to 1 amp for the entire string.

    BFL13 wrote:
    I didn't know about amps matching. (mine did despite the specs as it turned out) MPPT is for voltage. What's the story on amps? Thanks.
  • JiminDenver wrote:
    How do you find the Tracer? Is it one of the newer models?


    http://www.wegosolar.com/products.php?product=EPS%252dMPPT%252d20-EPSolar-20-Amp-12%7B47%7D24V-MPPT-Solar-Charge-Controller

    It is very solid, no complaints, ran it all summer. It clips the amps by limiting power in. Don't know if that is how Morning star does it. Anyway no problem over-panelling.

    I did not get the remote. I use the standard EP Solar fixed charging profile it has, which works well for my situation.

    I still have the 255w and Eco-W and Solar 30 and use all this solar stuff in different combos among the two RVs, but it is getting ridiculous. :) Hope nobody has any more sales :(
  • pianotuna wrote:
    In series amps from panels need to be identical. I don't think there is a tolerance rule of thumb for series amps.
    Series circuits will deliver the lowest amperage of the string.
  • I didn't know about amps matching. (mine did despite the specs as it turned out) MPPT is for voltage. What's the story on amps? Thanks.
  • Hi BFL13,

    In parallel volts from panels need to match. Less than one volt difference is a rule of thumb.

    In series amps from panels need to be identical. I don't think there is a tolerance rule of thumb for series amps.

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