Speakers produce uneven sound.

[KenFecher]

We have a 2014 Fleetwood Shamrock 233 S. LOVE this camper, but curiously the stereo system has switches to turn speakers on and off. One does one inside, another does the other inside and the last turns on the outside.
If you would like inside and outside on at the same time, you have to blast the inside speakers to get anything usable to come out of the outside speakers. Is this proper?
The stereo is a Genesis system.

[KenFecher]

SCVJeff wrote:

ddndoug wrote:
KenFecher - Do you have the name and model number of the speakers involved? Based on that information, we may be able to suggest some speakers to help balance you out. Personally I'm a huge fan of JBL marine speakers and Polk Audio marine rated. Both are very efficient with sensitivity levels of 91 db and 92 db respectively.

Doug

3 sets of Marine speakers isn't going to be a cheap project

Ken: Every time someone mentions outside light, radio, starting Diesels, Dogs, Kids, and a whole list of others, even though not even remotely related to the thread, someone HAS to come along and state their distaste for something or another even though they have no clue whatsoever where and/ or how you camp. This is particularity irritating when it happens in a pure tech forum. So just ignore them even though they won't go away. Good luck on the L-Pads

Thanks SVJeff. Funny, it seems we can go nowhere anymore, online forums, Facebook, or in public in general and say anything without "offending" someone. It's sad.

Funny, for a factory system, the inside now has beautiful sound. More than I will ever crank up, but when I had the head unit out, there is also wiring for a subwoofer as well. So the potential to piss off is very great were I not a considerate camper. I have always said, campers are some of the nicest and most respectful folks around. Seldom do I worry about belongings or even locking up the rig.

And lastly to all you who keep piping in off topic, I am a 27 year retired police lieutenant and now the Chief Deputy of a Sheriff's Office with a total of near 30 years on the job. For those people that you do not like in the campgrounds being inconsiderate, I am usually the one who goes and explains exactly what camping courtesy is exactly. Seldom do I get arguments.

[KenFecher]

ddndoug wrote:
KenFecher - Do you have the name and model number of the speakers involved? Based on that information, we may be able to suggest some speakers to help balance you out. Personally I'm a huge fan of JBL marine speakers and Polk Audio marine rated. Both are very efficient with sensitivity levels of 91 db and 92 db respectively.

Doug

I have not been able to climb up and look at the speakers, or pull them to see make, model, watts, ohms etc. At first thought it was a wiring issue. That has been checked, and fixed for that matter. Fleetwood had it wired so that each inside speaker was wired individually to Speaker A on/off and Speaker B on/off, but each to the left side output of a connection set for left and right output. I suddenly have stereo inside with much richer sound. 🙂

I said in another response, I actually like that the speakers are cheapies. I'm not looking for power and hi-fidelity, I'm looking for balance so that one master volume control doesn't control inside and out because of the insane imbalance.

Thanks for the information. I like getting all the input I can.

[SCVJeff]

ddndoug wrote:
KenFecher - Do you have the name and model number of the speakers involved? Based on that information, we may be able to suggest some speakers to help balance you out. Personally I'm a huge fan of JBL marine speakers and Polk Audio marine rated. Both are very efficient with sensitivity levels of 91 db and 92 db respectively.

Doug

3 sets of Marine speakers isn't going to be a cheap project

Ken: Every time someone mentions outside light, radio, starting Diesels, Dogs, Kids, and a whole list of others, even though not even remotely related to the thread, someone HAS to come along and state their distaste for something or another even though they have no clue whatsoever where and/ or how you camp. This is particularity irritating when it happens in a pure tech forum. So just ignore them even though they won't go away. Good luck on the L-Pads

[KenFecher]

SCVJeff wrote:

Tom_M wrote:
Do a search on eBay or Amazon for a "stereo L-PAD". Put the L-PAD in the line feeding the loudest speakers and adjust it so that it matches the level of the outside speakers.

This is a band-aid but will certainly get you the balance you're looking for.
THESE are the cheapest I found on eBay. There are two (not ganged) for sale, but I assume you would set them and toss in the rear of the cabinet anyway..

Sorry for the goofy link, but it at least works.

Thanks SCVJeff and myredracer for the information. I think this is the route I am going to follow. I found this http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/vmimmavocow.html and think it might work I have a spot for it right above the stereo system where I might just mount it. That way I can fool with it depending on whether I have the outside speakers on or off. I don't often use the outside speakers, but when I do it's a nice feature. I actually like that they are underpowered speakers.

And again to all you No-Outside-Speaker League folks, I don't turn them up for hi fidelity. In fact, I doubt you could hear it in your campsite if you were my neighbor because I adjust appropriately, BUT . . . without this fix, the person inside can't have any speakers, because it is so loud that you would hear it. I'm just looking for some equalization if I want the sound on inside as well. This impedance knob might just be perfect so that the inside can be backed down appropriately.

[ddndoug]

KenFecher - Do you have the name and model number of the speakers involved? Based on that information, we may be able to suggest some speakers to help balance you out. Personally I'm a huge fan of JBL marine speakers and Polk Audio marine rated. Both are very efficient with sensitivity levels of 91 db and 92 db respectively.

Doug

[SCVJeff]

Tom_M wrote:
Do a search on eBay or Amazon for a "stereo L-PAD". Put the L-PAD in the line feeding the loudest speakers and adjust it so that it matches the level of the outside speakers.

This is a band-aid but will certainly get you the balance you're looking for.
THESE are the cheapest I found on eBay. There are two (not ganged) for sale, but I assume you would set them and toss in the rear of the cabinet anyway..

Sorry for the goofy link, but it at least works.

[myredracer]

SCVJeff wrote:
Maybe we should start on patio lights so all THAT whining gets wrung out too. I thought this was the Tech Section, not Romper Room

ST tires, payload capacity or RV quality would be more entertaining. Or better yet, Mr. Trump... :B

Maybe an impedance-matching volume control would work like this one? There are a number of manufacturers of these and I'm sure cheaper ones can be found. Could possibly just adjust it and hide it behind the radio.

The interior speakers they use are often like 1950s technology and are quite inefficient and have a poor frequency response. I replaced the ceiling speakers in a previous TT and what a difference. I'm sure the outdoor speakers they use are just as cheap.

[wa8yxm]

Though I must admit the one time my neighbor used outside speakers.. I liked his choice of radio stations and actually duplicated it in my car.

The simple solution is to not annoy your neighbors by turning on the outside speakers and blasting them with YOUR musical/talk radio preference.

(Yes, I belong to the anti-outside speaker league).

[Tom_M1]

Do a search on eBay or Amazon for a "stereo L-PAD". Put the L-PAD in the line feeding the loudest speakers and adjust it so that it matches the level of the outside speakers.

[ToyHauler]

wired out of phase maybe?

[KenFecher]

westend wrote:

SCVJeff wrote:
Got nothin at all to do with connections. This is a difference in efficiency of each speaker set expressed in SPL (Sound Pressure Level) for a given input . I'll bet they aren't identical are they ?

X2
The cure may be to replace the outside speakers with ones that are more efficient. In the mobile audio world, speakers that are rated 1W @ 90+ db will be about as efficient as you can buy.

Yes, they are very different speakers. Replies like this are what I suspect is the issue. Hard to find good replacement speakers.

[KenFecher]

****!!!! To those who offered help, thanks. i saw all these posts and thought a ton of help was coming. I got a few good. Thanks to those who genuinely replied.

All I want is even speakers. I like to have them play very subtly while I grill or sit under the awning, but for the Mrs to have it on inside at the same time, it is deafening inside for so little outside.

I AM BY FAR A COURTEOUS CAMPER, BUT HEY THANKS FOR THE LECTURE. I'm no newbie, just with his RV. Been camping for over a decade and know all about inconsiderate neighbors. .

[KenFecher]

noplace2 wrote:
KISS! Start from the beginning. Burnish ALL of the connections and I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts your problem goes away. And please avoid sharing your impeccable entertainment choices with others.

I did this tonight. Fleetwood wires this so stupidly. Inside is way better now, but nothing outside changed. Verified and assured all connections. 😞

[SCVJeff]

Maybe we should start on patio lights so all THAT whining gets wrung out too. I thought this was the Tech Section, not Romper Room