The cat is out of the bag ! New Honda Generator !!

[theoldwizard1]

Honda is showing their new 3200W (peak) generator, at least in EU ! I can't find the full specs, but I have seen one picture with a TT30 outlet. It has a new model GX series engine with fuel injection and Bluetooth. This is a picture of EU version (220V@50Hz).

Video of press release



EDIT : 58 lbs vs 48 lbs of the EU2200i

[Bobbo]

StirCrazy wrote:
note the spelling: hygroscopic...". It is HYGRO, with the letter "G." and that the general dictionary definition for a hygroscopic substance is that it can attract moisture from its enviroment. so it doesnt adsorb it but it atracts it. for example if you put a open bottle of whisky on the counter, the level wont go up.

Note that not a single person in this thread has misspelled "hygroscopic." I will not quibble about "attracting" vs "adsorbing" moisture. Moisture appears there as if by magic.

(Please note that "adsorb" and "absorb" are not the same thing, and one is not a misspelling of the other.)

Grit dog wrote:
What any of this has to do with Honda's new generator is a rv.net mystery....

My understanding is that the new Honda generator runs on gasoline. If I am mistaken, please educate me.

[snowedin]

The new Honda 3200 generator looks to be the right size as it should run a 15000btu size air conditioner and the fuel injection feature should be just great. Have had two Honda Rancher ATV's with the fuel injection and never had a problem with either, they start great too.
Something to check out as an alternative now is the MXR3200 inverter generator that appears very similar to the Honda 3200 except I don't think it has fuel injection. It does have the 30 amp receptacle for the camper power cord. Search YouTube for reviews or just search MXT3200. The price is right at around $700 or less but search to see what pops up, Amazon, Walmart or whatever for the current price. Just noticed from pictures that the Honda 3200i does not appear to have the 30 amp outlet to allow plugging in the 30 amp camper electrical cord, sure hope I am wrong.

[StirCrazy]

Fisherman wrote:

Jacksons wrote:
"The ethanol in gasoline is very hygroscopic. It actually attracts moisture out of the atmosphere. Over time, a problematic amount of water can accumulate."
that is simply not true. ethanol will not attract water out of the atmosphere

Well if it's not attracting water out of the atmosphere, enlighten us where it's coming from. I'm sure it's not coming from the garden hose.

short trips. when you start a car/truck/motorcycle the change in temprature in the fuel tank and the change in volume in the tank its self cause mosit air to be pulled in. then it cools down and the moisture falls out of its vapour state and eventualy settles to the bottom of the tank. thats why people who do a lot of grocery trips seam to need to use methanol (gas line antifreeze) in the winter. this allows water to mix with the fuel but it doesnt adsorb it either and isn't good to use in moderen vehicles. a water filter is the best way to do it.

The origin of the claim is that ethanol is classified as a "hygroscopic" substance, note the spelling: hygroscopic...". It is HYGRO, with the letter "G." and that the general dictionary definition for a hygroscopic substance is that it can attract moisture from its enviroment. so it doesnt adsorb it but it atracts it. for example if you put a open bottle of whisky on the counter, the level wont go up.

[dieseltruckdriv]

pianotuna wrote:

Jacksons wrote:
"The ethanol in gasoline is very hygroscopic. It actually attracts moisture out of the atmosphere. Over time, a problematic amount of water can accumulate."
that is simply not true. ethanol will not attract water out of the atmosphere

Sorry but it does. Hydrogen bonding causes pure ethanol to be hygroscopic to the extent that it readily absorbs water from the air.

Pianotuna is correct.

The reason you don't often have problems is because of your gas cap.

[Grit_dog]

Bobbo wrote:

Because unless you go to the trouble to find, and expense to buy, ethanol free gasoline, the gas has other failings. The ethanol in gasoline is very hygroscopic. It actually attracts moisture out of the atmosphere. Over time, a problematic amount of water can accumulate. The additives also help with moisture in the gas.

This would be a case for using Seafoam in ethanol free gas as it doesn't have alcohol in it and is not hygroscopic. E10 will absorb more water and cause you less problems due to water in fuel than non-ethanol, with no alcohol additives.
Preserving fuel quality = slowing down oxidation. Fuel stabilizer is like your fuel eating blueberries, lol. It's an antioxidant.
It also puts water into solution with the fuel so it can be burned (like Heet, or.....ethanol containing gasoline).

What any of this has to do with Honda's new generator is a rv.net mystery....

[pianotuna]

Jacksons wrote:
"The ethanol in gasoline is very hygroscopic. It actually attracts moisture out of the atmosphere. Over time, a problematic amount of water can accumulate."
that is simply not true. ethanol will not attract water out of the atmosphere

Sorry but it does. Hydrogen bonding causes pure ethanol to be hygroscopic to the extent that it readily absorbs water from the air.

[Fisherman]

Jacksons wrote:
"The ethanol in gasoline is very hygroscopic. It actually attracts moisture out of the atmosphere. Over time, a problematic amount of water can accumulate."
that is simply not true. ethanol will not attract water out of the atmosphere

Well if it's not attracting water out of the atmosphere, enlighten us where it's coming from. I'm sure it's not coming from the garden hose.

[Jacksons]

"The ethanol in gasoline is very hygroscopic. It actually attracts moisture out of the atmosphere. Over time, a problematic amount of water can accumulate."
that is simply not true. ethanol will not attract water out of the atmosphere

[valhalla360]

time2roll wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
Does propane benefit from fuel injection?

Fuel injection doesn't need to mess about with propane as there are no jets to clog. Had a 25hp EFI Outboard and fuel issues were a non-issue as there was no carb to gum up. Propane options are mostly to solve carb issues.

So why do so many put Stabil in the fuel tank for storage. Even on an injected motor home. Or people commonly recommend draining the fuel if it has not run for a year.

Mostly....because that's what grandpappy taught them to do.

Of course, fuel can degrade given enough time...but that's a separate issue from the carb/injectors getting gummed up.

[Bobbo]

time2roll wrote:
So why do so many put Stabil in the fuel tank for storage. Even on an injected motor home. Or people commonly recommend draining the fuel if it has not run for a year.

Because unless you go to the trouble to find, and expense to buy, ethanol free gasoline, the gas has other failings. The ethanol in gasoline is very hygroscopic. It actually attracts moisture out of the atmosphere. Over time, a problematic amount of water can accumulate. The additives also help with moisture in the gas.

The only time gasoline entered the fuel system of anything of mine other than an automobile was when I had my Class C and the generator pulled fuel from the motorhome fuel tank. I only buy ethanol free for lawn equipment or generators. And, even then, I always add Seafoam to it.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

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[jjrbus]

I would be happy if Honda came back out with the EV4010 or 6010. I sold a 4010 with an RV 12 years ago and been kicking myself ever since!

[time2roll]

valhalla360 wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
Does propane benefit from fuel injection?

Fuel injection doesn't need to mess about with propane as there are no jets to clog. Had a 25hp EFI Outboard and fuel issues were a non-issue as there was no carb to gum up. Propane options are mostly to solve carb issues.

So why do so many put Stabil in the fuel tank for storage. Even on an injected motor home. Or people commonly recommend draining the fuel if it has not run for a year.

[Veebyes]

Tempting but no. Never buy anything in it's first year model. Let it be out for awhile & others can find the bugs in it & deal with the warranty.

[2oldman]

MFL wrote:
Just changing screen name to Not2oldman, would add 10 lbs more capability.

lol