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Those Square 5-Gallon Collapsible Water Jugs

MEXICOWANDERER
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Explorer
Something has to give - regarding my lifestyle versus a herniated disc.

I have been using a total of (4) 2.5 gallon plastic jugs for my purified water. I can get help filling 5 gallon collapsible jugs and arranging them in the kitchen. The 5-gallon round transparent hard jugs are way too much for me to tip and fill pots, and containers.

I used to use those 5-gallon collapsible jugs 30-years ago on horsepack trips but they were and refilled daily under hard use.

So my question is this. For 30-years I have been isolated, so any "news" about possible chemical leaching into the water has not reached my eyes. Anyone know of any valid "issues"?

I used to buy them at a sporting goods store and they weren't cheap even back then. Is there a "preferred place" to buy them? Keep in mind the thread bandwidth I suffer. Most of the time Google won't load and Amazon and eBay freezes.

If I can afford it I am going to purchase 4 jugs. I just spent 3 days in bed because wisdom (and patience) failed me and I tried to manhandle a 5-gallon jug.

Thanks
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Naio
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Explorer II
Thanks, Tuna!

Mex, did you see my post about the Firefox addon?
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pianotuna
Nomad III
Nomad III
The numbers (long post)

Plastic #1 (PETE OR PET)
This is polyethylene terephtalate, also known as PETE or PET. Most disposable soda and water bottles are made of #1 plastic, and itโ€™s usually clear. This plastic is considered generally safe. However, it is known to have a porous surface that allows bacteria and flavor to accumulate, so it is best not to keep reusing these bottles as makeshift containers.

Plastic #2 (HDPE)
This is high density polyethylene, or HDPE. Most milk jugs, detergent bottles, juice bottles, butter tubs, and toiletries bottles are made of this. It is usually opaque. This plastic is considered safe and has low risk of leaching.

Plastic #3 (PVC )
This is polyvinyl chloride, or PVC. It is used to make food wrap, bottles for cooking oil, and plumbing pipes. PVC is a tough plastic but it is not considered safe to cook food near it. There are phthalates in this materialโ€“softening chemicals that interfere with hormonal development. You should minimize use of #3 plastic around food as much as possible. Never cook using food wrap, especially in a microwave oven. If the wrap is listed as microwave-safe then I would still not let it touch the food while using it in the microwave.

Plastic #4 (LDPE)
This is low density polyethylene (LDPE). It is used to make grocery bags, some food wraps, squeezable bottles, and bread bags.

Plastic #5 (PP)
This is polypropylene. ( PP ) Yogurt cups and similar wide-necked containers are often made from it, as well as water bottles with a cloudy finish. Youโ€™ll also find it in medicine bottles, ketchup and syrup bottles, and straws. This plastic is also considered safe,

Plastic #6 (PS)
This is polystyrene, or Styrofoam, from which disposable containers and packaging are made. Youโ€™ll also find it in disposable plates and cups. Evidence is increasingly suggesting that this type of plastic leaches potentially toxic chemicals, especially when heated. I suggest avoiding the use of #6 plastic as much as possible.

Plastic #7 OTHER
This number basically means โ€œeverything else.โ€ Itโ€™s a mixed bag, composed of plastics which were invented after 1987. Polycarbonate falls into this category, including the dreaded BPA. So do modern plastics used in anything from iPods to computer cases. It also includes some baby bottles and food storage containers which resist staining. Use of #7 plastic is at your own risk, since you donโ€™t know what could be in it. You should dispose of any food or drink related product, especially for children that is known to contain BPA.

To summarize, plastics #2, #4 and #5 are generally considered safe. Plastic #1 is safe too but should not be re-used due to the risk of growing bacteria. Any other plastic should be used with extreme caution, especially around food or drink. The risk is even greater when heating food. For microwaving in particular, remember that microwave safe containers arenโ€™t necessarily healthy. They just wonโ€™t melt. In general, itโ€™s better to avoid microwaving plastic entirely and stick to glass.
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

Naio
Explorer II
Explorer II
Bleach might be worse for you in the bath than untreated water.
3/4 timing in a DIY van conversion. Backroads, mountains, boondocking, sometimes big cities for a change of pace.

Naio
Explorer II
Explorer II
Nice details, Almot, thanks!
3/4 timing in a DIY van conversion. Backroads, mountains, boondocking, sometimes big cities for a change of pace.

Naio
Explorer II
Explorer II
MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
Isn't the number within a triangle some sort of carcinogen index?


No, that's a recycling code. All stuff with the same number goes in the same bin.
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Almot
Explorer III
Explorer III
greenrvgreen wrote:
suggestion of a tank on a little trailer is really good, as long as you're not moving your camp around.

He is moving around.
Semi-permanent location , as I understand. RV hooked up to rented house, to use electricity.

Mex - no, the number in triangle is not a carcinogen index. It's a chemical composition. Higher or lower index doesn't mean it's safer. Index 7 is the worst, it means it contains BPA.

Materials that don't contain BPA are still leaching estrogen chemicals, but like Naio said, it may take a long time to kill you.

Disposable water bottles with index 1 are BPA-free but still not as good as those with index 2,4,5.

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greenrvgreen
Explorer
Explorer
FWIW I've done the water bladder in the truck and the pump, and there is a surprising amount of hassle involved with that also. If you ask me kettner's suggestion of a tank on a little trailer is really good, as long as you're not moving your camp around.

MEXICOWANDERER
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Explorer
Isn't the number within a triangle some sort of carcinogen index? Look on the bottom of any disposable cup or jug.

The groundwater 75 miles away contains Pb. and Selenium and tastes like ****. I added the asterisks. Fill a crystal clear glass with water. Let it sit and evaporate. You can not see through the glass. TDS are that high.

So I use lots of purified water as compared to to what folks use on the states. No cooking in domestic water. Bleach added to all waer including bath. Water is shut off often. When pressure resumes long stringy green things come out of the unfiltered outdoor faucet. The Mexicans call them "lamas". The house has a 1-micron water filter. I have to carry what I buy and I am not donating squat. Hence the question about squash-able water jugs. They hit with road with me. But they're what (?) fifteen dollars a pop? As far as siphoning, dream on when it comes to believing there exists one inch of white potable water hose within 500 miles of here.
I'm just trying to writhe and wiggle a little to lessen the burdens of being a fragile oldfart.

Thanks for the suggestions. They have catalyzed my thinking about how to live more comfortably.

time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
Are you in a permanent spot?

If so I would have a 100 to 500 gallon tank on a trailer to fill a like container on-site with a pump to all fixtures. Amazing how in the city we take all this for granted.

Piano, afaik RO is not designed to disinfect or remove all chemicals from non potable water.

fj12ryder
Explorer III
Explorer III
Tiger beat me to it.
Howard and Peggy

"Don't Panic"

fj12ryder
Explorer III
Explorer III
Why not use a siphon to get water from the large jugs to ones that are more manageable? Not need for pumps or more complication, a simple siphon, Simon. ๐Ÿ™‚
Howard and Peggy

"Don't Panic"

Tiger4x4RV
Nomad
Nomad
If you want to stick with the larger bottles on a shelf, how about rigging a siphon to get the water out? Tubing with one end inside at the bottom of the bottle, lower end outside at or below the bottom of the bottle, good shutoff clamp or valve at lower end.

Gravity is your friend, sometimes.
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Almot
Explorer III
Explorer III
Mex, disposable water bottles, same as most disposable containers, have lower standards when it comes to BPA and leaching. They are meant for single use. Re-use them at your own risk.

I hear your pain of paying 33 cents per one-gallon jug, compared to 9 cents/gal of bigger jars. If this is of any consolation, I can tell you that in my puebla those bigger jars are 18 cents/gal, not 9. And it's not some $$$ Cabo. Just one godforsaken inaccessible place. Gringos use those RO refills for drinking and making meals only. Locals don't buy RO water, they use water from the town well - also paid but cheaper.

Use 1-gal jugs.
Or 2-gal round jugs - those look identical to 5-gal round jugs only smaller.

I don't like collapsible cube containers, they wear out on creases and start leaking.

Naio
Explorer II
Explorer II
MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
The cost for filling one gallon jugs is double that of the 2.5 gallon which itself is 70% of the 20 liter jugs. I just dislike the idea of paying eqvt of 33 cents a gallon for water. $3.30 for ten gallons.

Are all jugs the same when it comes to the amount of water the spout dribbles? Sounds like there is more variety available these days.

Once the jugs are lined up on the shelf, I can avoid dealing with the weight. The water guys sticks the jugs in the car and my housekeeper unloads them and sets them on the shelf. But when tipping the bottles, they want to get unruly and slip and twist. That's where things go wrong.

Tried to look up SoundGuy's recommendation - ends up multiple 404 cannot connect.


Being disabled is expensive :(. But your back may be worth 33 cents, even x 10,000.

Are you tilting the big jugs to get water out? Why not get the kind with the spout at the bottom, if you are going to use big ones on a shelf?
3/4 timing in a DIY van conversion. Backroads, mountains, boondocking, sometimes big cities for a change of pace.

pianotuna
Nomad III
Nomad III
Hi Mex,

What about using a water bladder in the trunk with a small electric pump? It would be a high one time cost--but then you could go to the 4 liter jugs and the cost per fill would drop considerably?

Is there non potable water available? Have you considered a reverse osmosis system?
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.