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What inverter to get for a Dometic CFx35 fridge

pennj0321
Explorer
Explorer
Hello! I purchased a Dometic CF35 fridge a while back and was wondering what inverter to purchase.
I have a Chevy 3500 cargo van I converted to a camper.
There are 2, 100 watt panels on the roof, 2 lead acid batteries wired together in "series"

For a while now I have been using the solar set up for powering small things, ceiling lights, cell phone, laptop, Fantastic fan in roof.
I've been playing it safe and not drawing to much power, but now with the fridge, I better learn all the Watts, Amps, Volts stuff....lol

Question 1. Should I use an inverter or a 12 volt cig lighter to power my Dometic cfx35?

Question 2. If I go with the inverter, I believe I would need a 1000 watt one.
We multiply the (Amps) by 110 (Volts) to obtain the (Watts) right?

So, in my manual, where it lists "rated current" I see,

12V- 7.0A
24V-3.2A
120V 0.72A
Which one is it? 7A, 3.2A, or 0.72A?

Is one for the cig lighter, the other for 110?

Any help from the experts on this site would be most appreciated!
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pennj0321
Explorer
Explorer
Thanks everybody for the information! I learned a lot!

pauldub
Explorer
Explorer
Why are you so intent on using an inverter when you can run the fridge more efficiently on 12 VDC? Using an inverter will waste power and you're already a bit short on solar power.

BFL13
Explorer II
Explorer II
The 400w inverter might have come with two sets of wires. One for a cig plug and the other with clamps that go on the battery posts.

You should use the set with clamps on the battery bank and run a 120v extension cord to where the cooler is. Might need a rain cover if it will be outside.

A typical cig plug might only be good for 90 watts roughly. The thin wires will cause the inverter to "see" low voltage and shut down or start squealing its alarm.

The suggestion is to change out the 12v cig plug on the cooler for two fatter 12v wires to the battery bank and not use the inverter so it won't use as much battery to run the cooler. Depends on the situation/scenario whether that would be worth it.

Yes, "120" is "110". Household level "AC" power. The inverter makes 120 from 12. Use the "ten times rule" for amps draw from the battery. Cooler is 90 watts, then it will pull about 9 amps DC from the battery.

Two 6s is 225 AH and you can use 113 to get to 50% down. Means at 9 amps it will take 113/9 = about 12 hours to run the bank down to where it should be recharged, just from the cooler, never mind anything else 12v being used.

You need a plan for how to handle that, especially when the sun is not out much. Small generator?
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2oldman
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Explorer II
pennj0321 wrote:
Is 120V the same as 110V? 110 V is AC, regular wall outlet right?

SO at 0.72A times 110V = 79.2 Watts. Does that mean I can use my 400 watt inverter I already have?
yes, yes, yes easily.
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time2roll
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Yes 400w should be fine. Worst case it will overload and shut down. No harm to do that once.

pennj0321
Explorer
Explorer
BFL13 wrote:
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12 and 24 volt is DC, while 110 v is AC. Your two batts in series will be 24v if they are 12v batts or else 12v if 6v golf car type (GC2)
Which do you have?

Is this for the starter battery or the house?

Usually, cig plugs are low watts with thin wires and not good for bigger DC loads, which need fatter wires to the battery bank.


My Batteries are 2,6 Volt Deep cycle lead acid wired in series, so I have 12 Volts.

They are the house Battery not the starter for the van.

OK, so, I don't want to use the cig lighter, 12 volt DC because the wires are to thin. Got it.

I'm gonna use an inverter (which changes the current to DC from AC) for the fridge.

In my manual, it says 120V- 0.72A.

Is 120V the same as 110V?

110 V is AC, regular wall outlet right?

SO at 0.72A times 110V = 79.2 Watts. Does that mean I can use my 400 watt inverter I already have?

Thanks again so much everybody for the information!
I would have responded earlier but I had to get outside and enjoy the nice weather!

time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
Seriously does the fridge come with a cigar plug? I would hard wire the fridge with #10 wire minimum.

I could be wrong but I doubt 200w solar and two batteries will last long off-grid.

landyacht318
Explorer
Explorer
This is a 12-24v Dc or 115vAC fridge. If plugged into both, it chooses 115v and switches over to DC automatically when no grid power or AC power is available.

https://www.dometic.com/en-us/us/products/food-and-beverage/coolers/electric-coolers/dometic-cf-35-_-140221#specifications

You DO NOT want to run this from an inverter, as it is made to run on 12 to 24vDC. It will be ~15%+ more efficient if you do not use an inverter to power it, due to inverter efficiency losses and the fact that the inverter, with a few exceptions, remains on the whole time, consuming a significant amount of electricity even when the fridge motor is not running, which it does 15 to 20 minutes per hour or so.

The issue with powering a portable 12vDC fridge is the Ciggy plug/12v receptacle. They are ubiquitous, but a very poor electrical connection that is highly unreliable, and gets worse the more wattage it is asked to pass and the duration of time in which it passed that current.

The Dometic either uses a Danfoss compressor or a newer Waeco compressor, which appears visibly very similar with the Danfoss/Secop as well as having similar specs.

In the Danfoss manual, regarding the recommended wire gauge , there is nothing less than 12AWG accceptable. Yet the ciggy plug cords come with a few feet of 16AWG.
The 12c ciggy 12v/ powerport receptacle this undersided wire is plugged into, is likely also not wired with very thick wire, contributing to more resistance on the power cord.

While if the ciggy plug does not work its way loose, this resistive circuit might only cause the fridge to shut down automatically, to save he battery, when the battery could still safely power it for significantly longer. The voltage drop on that thin circuit has the fridge see lower voltage, and assume the battery is more depleted than it actually is.

Ideally, with one of these chest style portable fridges not actively in portable mode, one would wire it right to the battery with its own fuse, with 10AWG, or thicker, and not use the provided ciggy plug at all, if possible.

The inverter wired to battery terminals powering the DC fridge via its 115vAC ability would be byassing the horrible 12v powerort/ ciggy plug receptacle, and is the ONLY time it makes sense to do so, when the ciggy plug has failed and one has not yet had time to repair it.

http://files.danfoss.com/TechnicalInfo/Dila/06/bd35-50f_electronic_unit_ac-dc_04-2009_ei100g402.pdf

The link above shows a danfoss bd35f compressor and has the chart that does not list anything thinner than 12awg as acceptable. Yet every portable 12vDC fridge comes with teh ciggy plug, and no thicker than 16AWG wire.

The spec sheet for your Dometic cf35 says it can pull 70 watts, which the Danfoss BD35f can also consume when it is at higher rpm as it can go from 2000 to 3500 rpm. Your portable will vary this rpm automatically, but it will pull the maximum 70watts on initial cool downs, and perhaps when a bunch of warm items are placed within.

Do not expect a Ciggy plug to be reliable long term when the fridge is working hard to keep things cool. The Ciggy plug will, without doubt, fail at some point, and spoil your food. Disregard the claims by those who have not yet reached that point. There are some sill faithful to this ubiquitous antique connection.

If I owned a new portable instead of an upright, I would use 45 Anderson powerpoles as the connector, with 10AWG leads. I would bypass the original DC connection/cord on the portable fridge body entirely, and feed this 10AWG through a side vent if necessary, right to compressor controller + and - DC inputs via some piggy back quick connectors.

On the other side of the 45 amp anderson powerpole connector, more 10AWG right to battery terminals with a 15 amp fuse 7 inches from battery + terminal.

Some might just cut the original DC cord close to the connector on portable fridge body and splice 10AWg into this, but it might cause warranty issues on new units, if required.
Some portable fridges marketers also sell an additional optional wiring product that is way more reliable than the standard ciggy plug, in order to bypass the ciggy plug. Buth these are usually very overpriced for what they are.

If they sell extra DC power cords, keep one for true portable temporary duty, and splice 10AWG into the other cord for longer term useage, and then no potential warranty issues.

One other option is feeding adequate girth wires right to the DC connector on fridge body rather than getting an additional cord or cutting the original, but there can be all sorts of issues with this method too.

Anyway, No inverter for this DC fridge, unless the original dc cord has failed and has not been fixed/eliminated yet.

Eliminate the inevitable 12v powerport ciggy plug/receptacle failure, by eliminating them from the equation, sooner rather than later, or at least have the back up plan and parts available for when that connector does fail.

2oldman
Explorer II
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pennj0321 wrote:
12V- 7.0A
24V-3.2A
120V 0.72A
Which one is it? 7A, 3.2A, or 0.72A?
Depends on which voltage you choose. Watts will always be the same.
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STBRetired
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Explorer
It would be more efficient to run it at 12V instead of using an inverter. In any case, you multiply the volts by the amps on the same line. So 12V by 7 A or 120V by .72A. If you want the inverter for other things as well, the cooler will use just shy of 100 watts. If all you will use the inverter for is the cooler, a 400 watt one will provide plenty of excess capacity. I would get a pure sine wave inverter, I don't know how well the coolwe would like modified sine wave.

I have a CF110 and run it on 12V. When on a full hookup site, the converter can easily supply the 7A needed to run the cooler. We use it almost exclusively as an additional freezer since we take longer trips. But it works great as a beverage cooler when we go racing.
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BFL13
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https://www.dometic.com/en-ca/ca/products/food-and-beverage/coolers/electric-coolers/dometic-cf-35-_...

12 and 24 volt is DC, while 110 v is AC. Your two batts in series will be 24v if they are 12v batts or else 12v if 6v golf car type (GC2)
Which do you have?

Is this for the starter battery or the house?

Usually, cig plugs are low watts with thin wires and not good for bigger DC loads, which need fatter wires to the battery bank.
1. 1991 Oakland 28DB Class C
on Ford E350-460-7.5 Gas EFI
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2. 1991 Bighorn 9.5ft Truck Camper on 2003 Chev 2500HD 6.0 Gas
See Profile for Electronic set-ups for 1. and 2.