2014 Ram Ecodiesel

[uintafly]

So I was bored today between work appointments and was building a sweet new 2014 Ram 2500 w/ the 6.4 Hemi on their website and eventually worked my way to the new ecodiesel stats. Wow, people hate on the Tundra's because 1,400 lbs payload is too little. Try 850 lbs on the 4x4 Crew Cab Laramie models! That is pretty much equal to my Hyundai Elantra.

Obviously they are not built for the towing public, but it does make you wonder how many people not knowing much about actual specs will think they can pull an 8,000 lb trailer with one. After all the salesman said it would be fine and it is a diesel! I would guess there is probably configurations on most 1/2 ton lines with similar payload ratings, but I would think there would be a pretty good market for a 1/2 ton diesel with 1,800 lb payload. Surprised Ram didn't try to offer it. Anyone know what the Nissan plan is for Cummins? Are they looking to expand into 3.4 ton territory?

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

Hammerhead wrote:
Where are you finding the payload capacities for the ecodiesel engine? They aren't included on the pages I found at the Ram trucks web site.

Yes they are, I posted a link and directions on how to find them. Find my post then click it go to t by e bottom of the page and click on load more results and you will find them.

Don

[Tystevens]

uintafly wrote:

Tystevens wrote:

goducks10 wrote:
Well said. My son is the perfect example of a potential Ecodiesel buyer. They have a 12 Ram 1500 5.7 right now. It's their family vehicle. Wife drives it to work, son take company car. They have a 17' ski/fish boat they need to tow. Can't be more than 3000-3500lbs. He borrows my utility trailer for yard stuff. They aren't big people. I'm guessing total passenger weight around 400-450lbs. A Ram EcoDiesel with a payload around 11-1200lbs would serve them well. Spread the camping gear out between the boat and truck plus the 350lbs for the boats TW and they'd easily be under the Rams CCC. Plus they could easily pull 18-20mpg towing. They used to tow and camp with a Pathfinder so any truck is a step up for convenience.

Not everyone buys a 1/2 ton to tow 7000lbs.

Yep, I agree completely. I'd expect your example describes the great majority of 1/2 ton pickup owners, myself included. I'm not exaggerating when I say that 75% of the houses on my block have a 1/2 ton or larger pickup, and I can only think of one that tows more than probably 5k miles a year.

We drive our 1/2 tons about 15k miles a year combined; only probably 1k of that is spent towing 6k lbs. The rest its commuting, projects, family trips w/o the TT, driving to school, whatever. For our purposes, something that tows 6k lbs marginally well but is otherwise ideal (and relatively efficient) for 95% of its use is a lot better than driving around in a 10 mpg hd tow machine. Right tool for the job. Just because the Ecodiesel can't tow huge weights doesn't mean it is a useless product. Maybe just not what a specific person is after!

We must live in the same neighborhood. I agree that for the vast majority of people a 1/2 ton is enough to meet the needs, it's one of the reasons maxing out my payload for the 3k miles I may need to in a year is a fair trade off to not having to drive around a 3/4 ton. But you have to admit, seeing a sticker on a truck showing 850 lbs. payload is kind of funny. If your friend bought one you would tease him a bit right? Even if secretly being jealous of his good gas mileage the other 12k miles a year.

Funny, it must be a suburban Utah thing. I should re-state, however, that a couple of the guys on my street are contractors, and tow quite a bit (they all have 1 ton diesels, though). But the recreational towing is minimal!

Re: payload on the Ram, I'd probably only give him a hard time about it if he were hooking up to tow something or we were on a moving project. But I'd expect a blank stare in return -- I'm always surprised how much people don't know anything about their vehicles! For example, about a year ago a neighbor got a new F150, and I was asking him how he liked it, etc., and he actually had to look at the window sticker in his glove box to confirm what engine it had (he only thought it to be a V8; I knew it was a 5.0, but I didn't want to be a smart-alec).

[Hammerhead]

Where are you finding the payload capacities for the ecodiesel engine? They aren't included on the pages I found at the Ram trucks web site.

[Fast_Mopar]

I remember the Ford Raptor payload being low a few years ago. This link shows 950 lb payload for a 6.2 liter Raptor crew cab, before any options are selected.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/TRUCKBBAS/non-html/2010/10_F-150.pdf

[uintafly]

Tystevens wrote:

goducks10 wrote:
Well said. My son is the perfect example of a potential Ecodiesel buyer. They have a 12 Ram 1500 5.7 right now. It's their family vehicle. Wife drives it to work, son take company car. They have a 17' ski/fish boat they need to tow. Can't be more than 3000-3500lbs. He borrows my utility trailer for yard stuff. They aren't big people. I'm guessing total passenger weight around 400-450lbs. A Ram EcoDiesel with a payload around 11-1200lbs would serve them well. Spread the camping gear out between the boat and truck plus the 350lbs for the boats TW and they'd easily be under the Rams CCC. Plus they could easily pull 18-20mpg towing. They used to tow and camp with a Pathfinder so any truck is a step up for convenience.

Not everyone buys a 1/2 ton to tow 7000lbs.

Yep, I agree completely. I'd expect your example describes the great majority of 1/2 ton pickup owners, myself included. I'm not exaggerating when I say that 75% of the houses on my block have a 1/2 ton or larger pickup, and I can only think of one that tows more than probably 5k miles a year.

We drive our 1/2 tons about 15k miles a year combined; only probably 1k of that is spent towing 6k lbs. The rest its commuting, projects, family trips w/o the TT, driving to school, whatever. For our purposes, something that tows 6k lbs marginally well but is otherwise ideal (and relatively efficient) for 95% of its use is a lot better than driving around in a 10 mpg hd tow machine. Right tool for the job. Just because the Ecodiesel can't tow huge weights doesn't mean it is a useless product. Maybe just not what a specific person is after!

We must live in the same neighborhood. I agree that for the vast majority of people a 1/2 ton is enough to meet the needs, it's one of the reasons maxing out my payload for the 3k miles I may need to in a year is a fair trade off to not having to drive around a 3/4 ton. But you have to admit, seeing a sticker on a truck showing 850 lbs. payload is kind of funny. If your friend bought one you would tease him a bit right? Even if secretly being jealous of his good gas mileage the other 12k miles a year.

[parkersdad]

Just give it a few years and RAM will tune that diesel to where it is better than any gas motor in the class. I guarantee it.

[Bionic_Man]

FishOnOne wrote:

jerem0621 wrote:
Someone WILL add timbrens to it, fifth wheel hitch, and a 1500 lb pin weight fiver and call it good.

Not endorsing that but it will happen.

And then they'll be asking why they're having head gasket failures!

What does payload capacity have to do with head gaskets?

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

FishOnOne wrote:

NWGaGatorFans wrote:
I bought my 1500 Hemi knowing exactly what my limitations were going to be. Ram and Toyota were the only manufacturers out of the main 4 who adjusted payload/tow ratings for trim levels in their online calculators. So I guess all the bells and whistles on the Laramie don't weigh any more than the XL trim??? Get a grip Ford/GM fan boys....can't wait for SAE standards and see if your EB can still rate out at 11200 with full options

Not an Eco Boost nor a Eco Tech fan boy, but every Eco Boost vs. Hemi tow comparison I've seen the Eco Boost handed the Hemi it's AZZ.

OMG Troy put the cool-aid down dude! 1.7 seconds in a 1/4 towing a trailer up hill is not handing anybody their AZZ. But hay whatever makes you feel good. Post some of those links for us showing how the EB handed the Hemi it's AZZ will you.

Don

[FishOnOne]

NWGaGatorFans wrote:
I bought my 1500 Hemi knowing exactly what my limitations were going to be. Ram and Toyota were the only manufacturers out of the main 4 who adjusted payload/tow ratings for trim levels in their online calculators. So I guess all the bells and whistles on the Laramie don't weigh any more than the XL trim??? Get a grip Ford/GM fan boys....can't wait for SAE standards and see if your EB can still rate out at 11200 with full options

Not an Eco Boost nor a Eco Tech fan boy, but every Eco Boost vs. Hemi tow comparison I've seen the Eco Boost handed the Hemi it's AZZ.

[NWGaGatorFans]

I bought my 1500 Hemi knowing exactly what my limitations were going to be. Ram and Toyota were the only manufacturers out of the main 4 who adjusted payload/tow ratings for trim levels in their online calculators. So I guess all the bells and whistles on the Laramie don't weigh any more than the XL trim??? Get a grip Ford/GM fan boys....can't wait for SAE standards and see if your EB can still rate out at 11200 with full options

[Tystevens]

goducks10 wrote:
Well said. My son is the perfect example of a potential Ecodiesel buyer. They have a 12 Ram 1500 5.7 right now. It's their family vehicle. Wife drives it to work, son take company car. They have a 17' ski/fish boat they need to tow. Can't be more than 3000-3500lbs. He borrows my utility trailer for yard stuff. They aren't big people. I'm guessing total passenger weight around 400-450lbs. A Ram EcoDiesel with a payload around 11-1200lbs would serve them well. Spread the camping gear out between the boat and truck plus the 350lbs for the boats TW and they'd easily be under the Rams CCC. Plus they could easily pull 18-20mpg towing. They used to tow and camp with a Pathfinder so any truck is a step up for convenience.

Not everyone buys a 1/2 ton to tow 7000lbs.

Yep, I agree completely. I'd expect your example describes the great majority of 1/2 ton pickup owners, myself included. I'm not exaggerating when I say that 75% of the houses on my block have a 1/2 ton or larger pickup, and I can only think of one that tows more than probably 5k miles a year.

We drive our 1/2 tons about 15k miles a year combined; only probably 1k of that is spent towing 6k lbs. The rest its commuting, projects, family trips w/o the TT, driving to school, whatever. For our purposes, something that tows 6k lbs marginally well but is otherwise ideal (and relatively efficient) for 95% of its use is a lot better than driving around in a 10 mpg hd tow machine. Right tool for the job. Just because the Ecodiesel can't tow huge weights doesn't mean it is a useless product. Maybe just not what a specific person is after!

[ACDNate]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:


OPEN THIS LINK then click on "OPEN TOWING AND PAYLOAD CALCULATOR" you will have the option to add up to 5 passengers using the drop down tab. You see Ram lest you see real world numbers does Ford and GM?

LMAO that should stir the ole ****/pot. But no really does Ford and GM give you that option?

Don

BTW Robert you can click on that link also and build a 1500 crew cab with a 6.4 bed (note that is the heaviest) and then come back and tell me what you come up with. You are going to have to go to the bottom of the page and click the "ADD MORE RESULTS" tab to see the E-diesel trucks.

So the Tradesman quad cab eco diesel with 2 passengers and no cargo on board has 1289lbs of payload capacity and 7761 lbs of towing capacity.

The Hemi of with the same gives 1482lbs payload and 8918 towing.

I'm shocked at the differnce in towing being 1157lbs different with only 193lbs payload differnce.

[goducks10]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

Bluhorn wrote:

parkersdad wrote:
The bottom line is this ram is geared towards people who use their truck as a car but occasionally want to haul a piece of plywood. If you are wanting to pull a camper stop being a damn tightwad and buy a real truck 2500 or 3500 vehicle. So many people here are looking for eco-this eco-that. When you pull a big wind sock behind you nothing is Eco about it.

Now here is an intelligent answer.:B

I have been saying that for years! Ram lists on our web site what each truck should be used for as to towing. Clicky Here

The 1500 is for "Light duty towing. Don't let the term "light duty" fool you – a Ram 1500 can handle quite a bit. It offers the perfect combination of power and efficiency. If you'll be towing boats, ATVs or trailers, this is the truck for you.".

The 2500 and 3500 is for "Heavy duty towing. Generally speaking, a heavy-duty truck is best suited for towing construction equipment and other heavy commercial loads. But if your recreational towing needs include a horse trailer or an RV, you too may need the extra capability of a Ram 2500 or 3500".

Unlike our competitors that take a wantabe 2500 and slap 150/1500 badges on it and say "we have best in class 150/1500 towing and payload". Again buy the right tool for the job and then you won't need to add bandages to get it to preform. Hint, reading a bunch of posts about how the E-Boost boys are having to swap out their P rated tires that come on the max tow/max payload for E rated tires. Buy a 250 and you won't need to add this and change that to get your truck to preform safely!

I'm getting an E-diesel as we have no need for the 2500 anymore. We will look at small RV's or large pop-up's for the times we want to camp. Otherwise it will be my daily driver and haul stone, dirt, mulch and other items for the lumber yards. Right tool the the job at this time for us.

Don

Well said. My son is the perfect example of a potential Ecodiesel buyer. They have a 12 Ram 1500 5.7 right now. It's their family vehicle. Wife drives it to work, son take company car. They have a 17' ski/fish boat they need to tow. Can't be more than 3000-3500lbs. He borrows my utility trailer for yard stuff. They aren't big people. I'm guessing total passenger weight around 400-450lbs. A Ram EcoDiesel with a payload around 11-1200lbs would serve them well. Spread the camping gear out between the boat and truck plus the 350lbs for the boats TW and they'd easily be under the Rams CCC. Plus they could easily pull 18-20mpg towing. They used to tow and camp with a Pathfinder so any truck is a step up for convenience.

Not everyone buys a 1/2 ton to tow 7000lbs.

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

Bluhorn wrote:

parkersdad wrote:
The bottom line is this ram is geared towards people who use their truck as a car but occasionally want to haul a piece of plywood. If you are wanting to pull a camper stop being a damn tightwad and buy a real truck 2500 or 3500 vehicle. So many people here are looking for eco-this eco-that. When you pull a big wind sock behind you nothing is Eco about it.

Now here is an intelligent answer.:B

I have been saying that for years! Ram lists on our web site what each truck should be used for as to towing. Clicky Here

The 1500 is for "Light duty towing. Don't let the term "light duty" fool you – a Ram 1500 can handle quite a bit. It offers the perfect combination of power and efficiency. If you'll be towing boats, ATVs or trailers, this is the truck for you.".

The 2500 and 3500 is for "Heavy duty towing. Generally speaking, a heavy-duty truck is best suited for towing construction equipment and other heavy commercial loads. But if your recreational towing needs include a horse trailer or an RV, you too may need the extra capability of a Ram 2500 or 3500".

Unlike our competitors that take a wantabe 2500 and slap 150/1500 badges on it and say "we have best in class 150/1500 towing and payload". Again buy the right tool for the job and then you won't need to add bandages to get it to preform. Hint, reading a bunch of posts about how the E-Boost boys are having to swap out their P rated tires that come on the max tow/max payload for E rated tires. Buy a 250 and you won't need to add this and change that to get your truck to preform safely!

I'm getting an E-diesel as we have no need for the 2500 anymore. We will look at small RV's or large pop-up's for the times we want to camp. Otherwise it will be my daily driver and haul stone, dirt, mulch and other items for the lumber yards. Right tool the the job at this time for us.

Don