I am still not a fan of small diesels in big trucks, but for those of you who are. 2018 FORD F150 DIESEL 3.0L “LION” V6 WEIGHT / TOWING SPECIFICATIONS PRINTED IN THE OWNER’S MANUALA 17,100 GCWR would put the tow rating over 10,000 lbs. If they put this in an F150 HD then it might not be a bad tow vehicle for those wanting the fuel efficiency of a small diesel, but with more payload than what the Ram Ecodiesel has to offer. It would essentially be the same as a 3/4 ton diesel of a few decades ago in both power and capabilities, but with a more fuel efficient engine.

Folks have been waiting for a diesel F150 for a LONG time ! It would be interesting to see sales numbers given the fact that it will carry a premium price tag. With the cost of diesel fuel as high as it is, plus the cost of DEF and the more expensive oil changes, you will need to put a lot of miles on that engine to make it pay back !Personally, I think it would be better paired with an F250. People will love it in the full sized Transit !

I never understood the diesel "payback" in fuel savings that seems to get brought up. You usually tend to get your "payback" with a diesel in trad-in/resale value or longevity, not in fuel mileage (unless you are towing a lot). I can see this argument if a diesel had the same resale/trade-in value as its gas equivalent, but in almost all cases it holds a much higher value. Basically it costs more, but you can also sell it for more just like you can with any other option on a vehicle like trim levels, 4wd, and Nav systems.

I've always thought the Payback meant one would have to own the truck for X amount of time to save X amount of dollars in cheaper fuel to pay for the diesel engine in which case you are then even. I never considered resale in terms of Payback but can see it now, especially with these high dollar trucks.

ShinerBock wrote:I never understood the diesel "payback" in fuel savings that people seems to get brought up. You usually tend to get your "payback" with a diesel in trad-in/resale value or longevity, not in fuel mileage (unless you are towing a lot). I can see this argument if a diesel had the same resale/trade-in value as its gas equivalent, but in almost all cases it holds a much higher value. Basically it costs more, but you can also sell it for more just like you can with any other option on a vehicle like trim levels, 4wd, and Nav systems.X2. No payback is needed. I have gotten the price of the diesel back and more at trade in.That makes it a nearly free luxury. Def is cheap and of no consequence. Oil changes are at higher intervals and the price difference isn't enough to worry about.Further, many people like turbo diesels because of their ability to work hard without down shifting and spining hard.

ScottG wrote:X2. No payback is needed. I have gotten the price of the diesel back and more at trade in.That makes it a nearly free luxury. Def is cheap and of no consequence. Oil changes are at higher intervals and the price difference isn't enough to worry about.Further, many people like turbo diesels because of their ability to work hard without down shifting and spining hard.Yeah, when my brother traded in his old Cummins for his 2012 PSD. The salesman forgot(or so he says) to select that it was a diesel in the trade in value guide on NADA. It bumped up the trade in value another $6k when he applied the diesel engine option over the gas engine. That was just about what he paid for the option when he bought it new.

2018 F-150 3.0L Diesel GCWR | Good Sam Community

RobertRyan
Explorer
Sep 20, 2017
Here is the graphfrom the TFl website no mention of 18,400lb
ShinerBock
Explorer
Sep 20, 2017
RobertRyan wrote:

You said GVWR erroneously earlier.

Where?

RobertRyan wrote:
So what relevance is the graph from TFL truck website it has no mention of the 18,400lb?.

Graph on TFL? They don't have a graph. They have a picture of part of pages 289-298 on of the Ford owners manual that they and I linked.

Although, are you seriously trying to say that you are taking TFL's incomplete information over the complete information of the very manufacturer that makes the truck we are talking about? Really?

RobertRyan wrote:
Besides I do not work for a major Automotive manufacturer. As an IT guy, you do. Please explain the discrepancy

I don't have to explain a thing. It is right there on pages 289-298 of the 2018 F150 Owner's manual that TFL and I posted. Why you keep saying that the 3.0L diesel has a higher GCWR is beyond me when the proof that it is false is right there.

Here is the link again...

LINK>>>2018 F150 Owner's Manual<<<< LINK
RobertRyan
Explorer
Sep 20, 2017
Not this again?

I already told you the last time that GCWR of the 3.0L diesel is not higher that the Ecoboost and even posted where you can find the information.

Here is the link again

Page 289-298 clearly shows that the 3.5L Ecoboost has the higher GCWR with 18,400 lbs than the 17,100 lbs of the 3.0L diesel. This is a no brainier since the current 3.5L Ecoboost is probably lighter, and also has over 100 hp and 25 lb-ft more than the 3.0L diesel's current configuration in overseas markets.

Good Grief. Not GVWR

I didn't say GVWR, I said GCWR as in Gross Combined Weight Rating. Read pages 289-298 of that link and you would have noticed that.
You said GVWR erroneously earlier. So what relevance is the graph from TFL truck website it has no mention of the 18,400lb?.
Besides I do not work for a major Automotive manufacturer. As an IT guy, you do. Please explain the discrepancy
ShinerBock
Explorer
Sep 20, 2017
RobertRyan wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
RobertRyan wrote:
itguy08 wrote:
RobertRyan wrote:

Seeing FORD is offering it as an option and it has a heavier GCVWR than the Ecoboost
Ford does get it.

Diesels also weigh more than a gas engine. Over at Ford's website the max tow figures for the F150 are still quoted with the Ecoboost 3.5.

We can argue about tow values but the GCVWR is higher. That GCVWR is part of the general build specifications
I notice Itguy08 is now listed as posting this

Not this again? :S

I already told you the last time that GCWR of the 3.0L diesel is not higher that the Ecoboost and even posted where you can find the information.

Here is the link again...

LINK>>>
2018 F150 Owner's Manual<<<< LINK

Page 289-298 clearly shows that the 3.5L Ecoboost has the higher GCWR with 18,400 lbs than the 17,100 lbs of the 3.0L diesel. This is a no brainier since the current 3.5L Ecoboost is probably lighter, and also has over 100 hp and 25 lb-ft more than the 3.0L diesel's current configuration in overseas markets.

Good Grief. Not GVWR

I didn't say GVWR, I said GCWR as in Gross Combined Weight Rating. Read pages 289-298 of that link and you would have noticed that.
RobertRyan
Explorer
Sep 20, 2017
ShinerBock wrote:
RobertRyan wrote:
itguy08 wrote:
RobertRyan wrote:

Seeing FORD is offering it as an option and it has a heavier GCVWR than the Ecoboost
Ford does get it.

Diesels also weigh more than a gas engine. Over at Ford's website the max tow figures for the F150 are still quoted with the Ecoboost 3.5.

We can argue about tow values but the GCVWR is higher. That GCVWR is part of the general build specifications
I notice Itguy08 is now listed as posting this

Not this again? :S

I already told you the last time that GCWR of the 3.0L diesel is not higher that the Ecoboost and even posted where you can find the information.

Here is the link again...

LINK>>>
2018 F150 Owner's Manual<<<< LINK

Page 289-298 clearly shows that the 3.5L Ecoboost has the higher GCWR with 18,400 lbs than the 17,100 lbs of the 3.0L diesel. This is a no brainier since the current 3.5L Ecoboost is probably lighter, and also has over 100 hp and 25 lb-ft more than the 3.0L diesel's current configuration in overseas markets.

Good Grief. Not GVWR
ShinerBock
Explorer
Sep 20, 2017
RobertRyan wrote:
itguy08 wrote:
RobertRyan wrote:

Seeing FORD is offering it as an option and it has a heavier GCVWR than the Ecoboost
Ford does get it.

Diesels also weigh more than a gas engine. Over at Ford's website the max tow figures for the F150 are still quoted with the Ecoboost 3.5.

We can argue about tow values but the GCVWR is higher. That GCVWR is part of the general build specifications
I notice Itguy08 is now listed as posting this

Not this again? :S

I already told you the last time that GCWR of the 3.0L diesel is not higher that the Ecoboost and even posted where you can find the information.

Here is the link again...

LINK>>>
2018 F150 Owner's Manual<<<< LINK

Page 289-298 clearly shows that the 3.5L Ecoboost has the higher GCWR with 18,400 lbs than the 17,100 lbs of the 3.0L diesel. This is a no brainier since the current 3.5L Ecoboost is probably lighter, and also has over 100 hp and 25 lb-ft more than the 3.0L diesel's current configuration in overseas markets.
RobertRyan
Explorer
Sep 20, 2017
ksss wrote:
When you talk about the increase in resale value for diesels it is more fair to look at it from a percent of purchase price perspective. By factoring it that way it accounts for the higher up front costs of the diesel. I have had a couple gas HD GM trucks (an '11-and '15) and came out very well on trade in. I was worried I was going to get killed when I traded them in but considering what they cost, I was happy. Both cost around .18 cents a mile to own.

Appears to be big issue in the US, but not outside NA. As it stands Diesels are replacing ALL Petrol engines. Trsnd started in the late 1990's
RobertRyan
Explorer
Sep 20, 2017
itguy08 wrote:
RobertRyan wrote:

Seeing FORD is offering it as an option and it has a heavier GCVWR than the Ecoboost
Ford does get it.

Diesels also weigh more than a gas engine. Over at Ford's website the max tow figures for the F150 are still quoted with the Ecoboost 3.5.

We can argue about tow values but the GCVWR is higher. That GCVWR is part of the general build specifications
I notice Itguy08 is now listed as posting this
ksss
Explorer
Sep 20, 2017
When you talk about the increase in resale value for diesels it is more fair to look at it from a percent of purchase price perspective. By factoring it that way it accounts for the higher up front costs of the diesel. I have had a couple gas HD GM trucks (an '11-and '15) and came out very well on trade in. I was worried I was going to get killed when I traded them in but considering what they cost, I was happy. Both cost around .18 cents a mile to own.
itguy08
Explorer
Sep 20, 2017
RobertRyan wrote:

Seeing FORD is offering it as an option and it has a heavier GCVWR than the Ecoboost
Ford does get it.

Diesels also weigh more than a gas engine. Over at Ford's website the max tow figures for the F150 are still quoted with the Ecoboost 3.5.