3/4 to-1 ton comparison

IdaD wrote:

spoon059 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
Not only that, but in many cases the diesel version has a higher rated front GAWR than the gassers to compensate for the added engine weight. In the case of my Ram, the front GAWR is 500 lbs higher than the gas version.

Shiner, is there any physical difference to the front axle on a gasser vs a diesel to account for that difference in rating? Are the springs slightly stiffer or something? I've never noticed that there was a difference...

I thought the 6.4 2500s were the same 6000/6500, at least those with the 18" or 20" tires (which has to be about all of them). I could be mistaken, though. I think the only difference is heavier springs on the diesels to deal with the extra weight.

I looked at the spec sheet in 2014 when I bought mine, the 4x4 2500/3500 6.4L had a 5,500 front GAWR and the 4x4 2500/3500 diesels had a 6,000 front GAWR.

spoon059 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
Not only that, but in many cases the diesel version has a higher rated front GAWR than the gassers to compensate for the added engine weight. In the case of my Ram, the front GAWR is 500 lbs higher than the gas version.

Shiner, is there any physical difference to the front axle on a gasser vs a diesel to account for that difference in rating? Are the springs slightly stiffer or something? I've never noticed that there was a difference...

The axles are the same. As far as the front coils, I don't know the actual specs, but I do know there are at least 8 different part numbers on Mopar parts online. I which Ram would go into more detail in their body builder like Ford does in their spec sheets.

spoon059 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
Not only that, but in many cases the diesel version has a higher rated front GAWR than the gassers to compensate for the added engine weight. In the case of my Ram, the front GAWR is 500 lbs higher than the gas version.

Shiner, is there any physical difference to the front axle on a gasser vs a diesel to account for that difference in rating? Are the springs slightly stiffer or something? I've never noticed that there was a difference...

I thought the 6.4 2500s were the same 6000/6500, at least those with the 18" or 20" tires (which has to be about all of them). I could be mistaken, though. I think the only difference is heavier springs on the diesels to deal with the extra weight.

ShinerBock wrote:
Not only that, but in many cases the diesel version has a higher rated front GAWR than the gassers to compensate for the added engine weight. In the case of my Ram, the front GAWR is 500 lbs higher than the gas version.

Shiner, is there any physical difference to the front axle on a gasser vs a diesel to account for that difference in rating? Are the springs slightly stiffer or something? I've never noticed that there was a difference...

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Rather B Fishin wrote:
The payload difference is the difference in weight of a diesel vs the gas engine which is about 800lbs. A similarly equipped gasser will always have more payload rating than a diesel. Always.

Most of that weight goes to the front axle. Unless you are hauling a truck camper the difference is irrelevant.

Not only that, but in many cases the diesel version has a higher rated front GAWR than the gassers to compensate for the added engine weight. In the case of my Ram, the front GAWR is 500 lbs higher than the gas version.

Rather B Fishin wrote:
The payload difference is the difference in weight of a diesel vs the gas engine which is about 800lbs. A similarly equipped gasser will always have more payload rating than a diesel. Always.

Most of that weight goes to the front axle. Unless you are hauling a truck camper the difference is irrelevant.

The payload difference is the difference in weight of a diesel vs the gas engine which is about 800lbs. A similarly equipped gasser will always have more payload rating than a diesel. Always.

I see it posted often in the truck camper section about someone buying a gasser instead of diesel to get more payload, yet the rear weighs the same on both configurations of the same truck, so the payload difference is due to the limit on GVWR in that Class of truck and not due to capacity.

My F250 came with the standard 17" wheels that were rated lower than the optional 18" - The F350 of that era came with the higher rated 18's as stock. I was able to buy a new set of dealer take-off mounted 18's for less than just replacing my 17" tires, so I now owned a F250 with OEM optional suspension and tires that was identical to a F350 except for the badging and 2" lower rear axle block. In current models, there is more is more difference between the two Ford trucks but not really that much.

"So again, the only difference between the 2500 and 3500 is the rear suspension."

That is what carries MOST of the weight. With my hitch full forward and full RAWR I add under 200# to the front axle.

valhalla360 wrote:
I'm aware of the marketers...everyone knows what you mean when you ask about a Dodge pickup

My apologies. I generally try to use correct terms when I talk. You chose another route. Kudos for innovation...