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Cooper AT3 XLT

Anyone got any experience or know of having these tires ,its time for new ones . Have never run a Cooper tire . Heard good things , as long as I can get some decent mileage out of them with some fift...
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ford truck guy wrote:
Nitto Dura Grappler worked well for me in the past, but the rating was /is less than the Terra Grappler G2
When I need to replace the truck tires - I've been looking so far at Michillen Defender LTX 295/65R20 at #4080 pound OR the Nitto Tera Grappler 2 295/65R20 with their 4080 pound rating


I took a look at that Terra Grappler G2 , Its a toss up between the two that ,and the Cooper AT3 XLT ,both the same price for my tire size . The G2 slightly better rating at 65K , Cooper 60K. I buy most of my tires locally from the same shop for a number of years . Going to talk to them about the two . They shouldn't have any dog in this hunt ,both the same priced tire .


I saw the 65~VS~ 60 mile rating and that didn't concern me all that much..My ONLY concern was the last set of Nitto G2's gave me some tread sway that I had never had before....But then again, I always used the regular Terra Grappler, that was 1st set of G2's

BUT...I did see that the AT3 XLT carries a load index of 126 = 3748@ ~ vs ~ the other 2 at 4080#... If that matters



I was mistaken on the Nitto G2's they are only a 50K tread warranty on the LT's Cooper was 60K Both brands in my tire size LT 275/70/18 are rated for 3638 or 3640 @ 80 psi. depending on which website you look .

Tread sway is a bit concerning considering towing fifth wheels . I can't say of all the brands I have towed with that I could claim much difference or sway, other things like road noise ,or picking up rocks were noticeable.

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Heard good things , as long as I can get some decent mileage out of them with some fifth wheel towing I would be happy ,that ,and they are quiet .","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2022-03-03T15:12:48.000-08:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:Tow Vehicles","text":"Tow Vehicles","time":"2007-11-11T19:40:46.000-08:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3480145_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":10981},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"body":"Anyone got any experience or know of having these tires ,its time for new ones . Have never run a Cooper tire . Heard good things , as long as I can get some decent mileage out of them with some fifth wheel towing I would be happy ,that ,and they are quiet .","customFields":[]},"Conversation:conversation:3480145":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:3480145","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3480145"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2022-03-14T16:46:26.000-07:00","lastPostTime":"2022-03-14T16:46:26.000-07:00","unreadReplyCount":52,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3480145":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3480145","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:3480145_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:3480145_1","lastEditTime":"2022-03-03T15:12:48.000-08:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3480168":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:3480168","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3480145"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:491"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":3480168,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"subject":"Re: Cooper AT3 XLT","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3480168"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3480145"},"body":"
ford truck guy wrote:
cummins2014 wrote:
ford truck guy wrote:
Nitto Dura Grappler worked well for me in the past, but the rating was /is less than the Terra Grappler G2
When I need to replace the truck tires - I've been looking so far at Michillen Defender LTX 295/65R20 at #4080 pound OR the Nitto Tera Grappler 2 295/65R20 with their 4080 pound rating


I took a look at that Terra Grappler G2 , Its a toss up between the two that ,and the Cooper AT3 XLT ,both the same price for my tire size . The G2 slightly better rating at 65K , Cooper 60K. I buy most of my tires locally from the same shop for a number of years . Going to talk to them about the two . They shouldn't have any dog in this hunt ,both the same priced tire .


I saw the 65~VS~ 60 mile rating and that didn't concern me all that much..My ONLY concern was the last set of Nitto G2's gave me some tread sway that I had never had before....But then again, I always used the regular Terra Grappler, that was 1st set of G2's

BUT...I did see that the AT3 XLT carries a load index of 126 = 3748@ ~ vs ~ the other 2 at 4080#... If that matters



I was mistaken on the Nitto G2's they are only a 50K tread warranty on the LT's Cooper was 60K Both brands in my tire size LT 275/70/18 are rated for 3638 or 3640 @ 80 psi. depending on which website you look .

Tread sway is a bit concerning considering towing fifth wheels . I can't say of all the brands I have towed with that I could claim much difference or sway, other things like road noise ,or picking up rocks were noticeable.","body@stringLength":"1699","rawBody":"
ford truck guy wrote:
cummins2014 wrote:
ford truck guy wrote:
Nitto Dura Grappler worked well for me in the past, but the rating was /is less than the Terra Grappler G2
When I need to replace the truck tires - I've been looking so far at Michillen Defender LTX 295/65R20 at #4080 pound OR the Nitto Tera Grappler 2 295/65R20 with their 4080 pound rating


I took a look at that Terra Grappler G2 , Its a toss up between the two that ,and the Cooper AT3 XLT ,both the same price for my tire size . The G2 slightly better rating at 65K , Cooper 60K. I buy most of my tires locally from the same shop for a number of years . Going to talk to them about the two . They shouldn't have any dog in this hunt ,both the same priced tire .


I saw the 65~VS~ 60 mile rating and that didn't concern me all that much..My ONLY concern was the last set of Nitto G2's gave me some tread sway that I had never had before....But then again, I always used the regular Terra Grappler, that was 1st set of G2's

BUT...I did see that the AT3 XLT carries a load index of 126 = 3748@ ~ vs ~ the other 2 at 4080#... If that matters



I was mistaken on the Nitto G2's they are only a 50K tread warranty on the LT's Cooper was 60K Both brands in my tire size LT 275/70/18 are rated for 3638 or 3640 @ 80 psi. depending on which website you look .

Tread sway is a bit concerning considering towing fifth wheels . I can't say of all the brands I have towed with that I could claim much difference or sway, other things like road noise ,or picking up rocks were noticeable.","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-03-05T07:25:32.000-08:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3480168_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":534},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[],"replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"CachedAsset:theme:customTheme1-1742978422871":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"theme:customTheme1-1742978422871","value":{"id":"customTheme1","animation":{"fast":"150ms","normal":"250ms","slow":"500ms","slowest":"750ms","function":"cubic-bezier(0.07, 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We do have need for a cargo trailer to transport the SXS and M/Cs to riding areas. A toy hauler is great, but not ideal. Might have to haul or store furniture or?
The reason I have settled on 10' box is that with our tow, 36' 5er, an over all 14' second trailer places us near the 65' maximun length in many states.
We do not need a tandem axle 7k unit that is wide, tall enough for the light load, and it would just be extra weight and overlength. There is also the higher deck height of a longer trailer.
I searched high and low for the size a unit we need, if any mfgr makes them they are without brakes and high decked. Dealers ( Big Tex, Carry on etc.) said noone makes it,
So, old timeretired welder fabricator that I am, build it.
The axle I made with spindles disc brakes from a salvaged Chevy uplander, with surge
actuator, 6bolt 205/50/ 17\" tires, new axle tube 8'5\" wide to outside of tires. . All aluminum frame and body with 4' wide front doors both sides, rear 35\" double doors, not ramp gate( other uses you see?) with stowaway under ramps that can be used rear, or side.. Finished deck height 12\" 4500w Genny will mount on the tongue, 14' Porta Bote folded on the side with motors, oars and stuff inside.
There comes a time when what you need just aint out there, or if it is its cost prohibitive. When I'm done, it will be better than any factory job, lighter, safer and just what we need. At much lower cost. Not counting my labor and shop time of course.
This what we need and have decided is right for us.

I started this thread to get the discussion going on what might be your perfect solution to your needs. Maybe the enclosed trailer mfgrs need to take a look at what us 5 th whl RVers with toys need.","body@stringLength":"1887","rawBody":"Thanks all of you, you are giving me great ideas.
We do have need for a cargo trailer to transport the SXS and M/Cs to riding areas. A toy hauler is great, but not ideal. Might have to haul or store furniture or?
The reason I have settled on 10' box is that with our tow, 36' 5er, an over all 14' second trailer places us near the 65' maximun length in many states.
We do not need a tandem axle 7k unit that is wide, tall enough for the light load, and it would just be extra weight and overlength. There is also the higher deck height of a longer trailer.
I searched high and low for the size a unit we need, if any mfgr makes them they are without brakes and high decked. Dealers ( Big Tex, Carry on etc.) said noone makes it,
So, old timeretired welder fabricator that I am, build it.
The axle I made with spindles disc brakes from a salvaged Chevy uplander, with surge
actuator, 6bolt 205/50/ 17\" tires, new axle tube 8'5\" wide to outside of tires. . All aluminum frame and body with 4' wide front doors both sides, rear 35\" double doors, not ramp gate( other uses you see?) with stowaway under ramps that can be used rear, or side.. Finished deck height 12\" 4500w Genny will mount on the tongue, 14' Porta Bote folded on the side with motors, oars and stuff inside.
There comes a time when what you need just aint out there, or if it is its cost prohibitive. When I'm done, it will be better than any factory job, lighter, safer and just what we need. At much lower cost. Not counting my labor and shop time of course.
This what we need and have decided is right for us.

I started this thread to get the discussion going on what might be your perfect solution to your needs. 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