Cummins Buying Fuel Cell Company - Hydrogenics

[ShinerBock]

With this and other acquisitions mentioned in the article, Cummins seems to be positioning themselves as a fuel cell powertrain leader. This is where most in the medium and heavy world, myself included, see the industry going, not BEV's.


Cummins Buying Fuel Cell Company - Hydrogenics

[dewey02]

1.21 Gigawatts???? 😉

[JRscooby]

hamnit

[JRscooby]

GordonThree wrote:
I don't think there's enough market pressure yet to dramatically advance batteries or fuel cells.

The spectre of running out of fossil fuels keeps getting pushed back by new extraction technology and improved simulations to find the reserves.

But a big spill into the Mississippi river could change the dates...

[BenK]

Agree with Shiner, fuel cells are way better than BEV's...but...

Hydrogen tank will always be an issue...until they figure out HOW2 manage liquid hydrogen. Bot at the generation/transport/storage/delivery and in-vehicle tank

Hydrogen in gaseous form will not have the range and/or the tank will be very large

Got laid off and my two skunk works teams at SunLabs, we were working on our invention...a solid state AC compressor with no moving parts, except for an automotive 1-way valve so the assembly would pump liquid nitrogen

Our target was super computing and super conductors in a cryogenic system. Fuel cells was at the bottom of the list

As the Program manager and inventor of some of that stuff, the heat to vaporize liquid hydrogen would be the passenger compartment AC system. Safety issues abounded as hydrogen in the cabin would not pass any safety requirements, but engineering is all about solving problems...

[GordonThree]

I don't think there's enough market pressure yet to dramatically advance batteries or fuel cells.

The spectre of running out of fossil fuels keeps getting pushed back by new extraction technology and improved simulations to find the reserves.

[ShinerBock]

Wow, this went into a whole other realm that I did not think it would. Not complaining, just surprised.

[Reisender]

NRALIFR wrote:
The premise of the “Mr. Fusion” device was that it used cold fusion to produce power. Cold fusion is a hypothetical source of nuclear power that would occur at or near room temperature. It’s been pretty much cast out by the scientific establishment.

The Hydrogenics fuel cells are an alternative energy technology that generate electric energy through the reaction between hydrogen (or a hydrogen-rich fuel source) and oxygen. These devices are particularly interesting due to high efficiencies relative to traditional combustion engines and low emissions, producing only heat and water as waste products.

I personally feel that technologies such as these are more promising than any advances in battery technologies we’re likely to see.

:):)

I think that there may be significant EV penetration by the time some of these technologies mature. At that point whatever replaces EV will have to be home fuelable as people will be very used to home fueling at not having to go to any kind of fuel outlet. I’m sure it’s doable but will still probably use grid energy to produce it.

Interesting topic though.

[NRALIFR]

The premise of the “Mr. Fusion” device was that it used cold fusion to produce power. Cold fusion is a hypothetical source of nuclear power that would occur at or near room temperature. It’s been pretty much cast out by the scientific establishment.

The Hydrogenics fuel cells are an alternative energy technology that generate electric energy through the reaction between hydrogen (or a hydrogen-rich fuel source) and oxygen. These devices are particularly interesting due to high efficiencies relative to traditional combustion engines and low emissions, producing only heat and water as waste products.

I personally feel that technologies such as these are more promising than any advances in battery technologies we’re likely to see.

:):)

[GordonThree]

Casimir effect harnessed

Baby steps. Something powerful enough to run an EV or house is a long ways off.

[Reisender]

GordonThree wrote:

Reisender wrote:

NRALIFR wrote:
I agree. Battery technology, with its weight, range limits, environmental impact, and recharging requirements is holding back the adoption of electric vehicles. Until EV’s have a source of power that doesn’t just shift the load onto the electrical grid, they will just be a virtue signaling badge of honor for early adopters.

What will ultimately be needed for EV’s to become viable for everyone across the board is the equivalent of this:

I know little about this stuff but where would the power come from.

Casimir effect, quantum vacuum, zero point energy. Space-time itself will be the "fuel"

Lol. 🙂

[GordonThree]

Reisender wrote:

NRALIFR wrote:
I agree. Battery technology, with its weight, range limits, environmental impact, and recharging requirements is holding back the adoption of electric vehicles. Until EV’s have a source of power that doesn’t just shift the load onto the electrical grid, they will just be a virtue signaling badge of honor for early adopters.

What will ultimately be needed for EV’s to become viable for everyone across the board is the equivalent of this:

I know little about this stuff but where would the power come from.

Casimir effect, quantum vacuum, zero point energy. Space-time itself will be the "fuel"

[Reisender]

NRALIFR wrote:
I agree. Battery technology, with its weight, range limits, environmental impact, and recharging requirements is holding back the adoption of electric vehicles. Until EV’s have a source of power that doesn’t just shift the load onto the electrical grid, they will just be a virtue signaling badge of honor for early adopters.

What will ultimately be needed for EV’s to become viable for everyone across the board is the equivalent of this:



What it will look like is pure conjecture, but IMHO it WILL have these attributes:

Small compact size
Low weight
Energy output instantly variable from zero to xxxx (<- a very high number)
Fuel source readily available without depending on the electrical power grid
Most importantly: it will be a power PRODUCING device, not a power STORAGE device.

:):)

I know little about this stuff but where would the power come from.

[NRALIFR]

I agree. Battery technology, with its weight, range limits, environmental impact, and recharging requirements is holding back the adoption of electric vehicles. Until EV’s have a source of power that doesn’t just shift the load onto the electrical grid, they will just be a virtue signaling badge of honor for early adopters.

What will ultimately be needed for EV’s to become viable for everyone across the board is the equivalent of this:



What it will look like is pure conjecture, but IMHO it WILL have these attributes:

Small compact size
Low weight
Energy output instantly variable from zero to xxxx (<- a very high number)
Fuel source readily available without depending on the electrical power grid
Most importantly: it will be a power PRODUCING device, not a power STORAGE device.

:):)

[Lwiddis]

“It is a great honor to be associated with such distinguished companies as Cummins and Air Liquide.”

And the employment contract and golden parachute offered by Cummings? Let’s see in five years if Cummins is making any money for its $290 million.