Diesel fuel additives??

Passin Thru wrote:
I have run heavy trucks 2.4 million miles and CAT and Cummins can both go stick their advice. Even with the truck running, had a 500 HP CAT which was supposed to feed hot fuel into the right tank, drawing it out the left tank and supposedly circulating it via a crossfeed tube between the bottoms my fuel line froze and I was stranded in Wy on I 80 in -12 windy weather. I walked to a store, bought all the Power Service they had and thawed it enought to run 30 mph for 50 miles. It was a cold lesson and I always use Power Service in the winter now.

The advice they gave me was to use a fuel additive in extreme cold weather. I don't understand your rant?

I have run heavy trucks 2.4 million miles and CAT and Cummins can both go stick their advice. Even with the truck running, had a 500 HP CAT which was supposed to feed hot fuel into the right tank, drawing it out the left tank and supposedly circulating it via a crossfeed tube between the bottoms my fuel line froze and I was stranded in Wy on I 80 in -12 windy weather. I walked to a store, bought all the Power Service they had and thawed it enought to run 30 mph for 50 miles. It was a cold lesson and I always use Power Service in the winter now.

I haven't read thru the entire thread... apologies if this has been addressed already.

I emailed Cummins directly regarding fuel additives. Below is their reply:

Cummins neither approves nor disapproves the use of Fuel Additives in our engines. We only recommend using them when there is a diagnosed need (i.e. winter gelling, algae infestation, etc.). However, we also recognize that customers may feel they need to use an additive. For this reason, Cummins Filtration (Fleetguard) has created several different additives that are completely safe to use in any Cummins engine.

If you are looking for an additive to prevent fuel gelation as well as clean injectors and provide lubricity, then I would recommend our Turbo Diesel All Season Fuel Additive (part number CC2588). Turbo Diesel provides a cetane boost for improved starting, stabilizes diesel fuel, cleans fuel injectors, optimizes fuel economy, enhances fuel lubricity, and is compatible with all types of diesel fuel including ULSD and biodiesel blends up to B20. It also prevents wax gelation and fuel line freezing, and reduces cold filter plugging point.

Since you are in Alaska, the winter additives in the Turbo Diesel could possibly not be enough to completely solve the fuel issues related to excessively cold ambient air temperatures. I would use the Turbo Diesel first to see how it works for your fuel, but if it proves to not be enough, we do have another additive made especially to treat fuel problems associated with cold climates. This additive would be our Winter Conditioner (part number CC2591), which prevents ice crystal formation along with preventing wax gelation and fuel line freezing, and reducing the cold filter plugging point. The Winter Conditioner has a more concentrated formula for preventing winter fuel issues, which makes it more effective in extreme temperatures than the Turbo Diesel.

Treatment rate for the Turbo Diesel is 1 pt: 30-50 gallons of diesel, and the Winter Conditoner treatment rate is 1 pt: 125 gallons. These additives can be used simultaneously as long as you adhere to the recommended treatment rates. Therefore, if the Turbo Diesel is not enough to prevent your fuel from gelling, you can use the Winter Conditioner along with the Turbo Diesel to still obtain the injector cleaning and lubricity enhancing qualities. As we do not sell to the public, you will need to contact your local Cummins Distributor or FleetGuard Retailer for pricing and availability information for these additives. I am including a link below from our website (cumminsfiltration.com) that will take you to our Retail Locator page. All you have to do is enter your location (City and State or Zip Code) and you will get a list of various options near you.
Please let me know if you have any additional questions.

http://www.cumminsfiltration.com/wrl/retaillocator.do?_locale=en



Thank you for choosing Cummins. Have a great day!

Kristin
Filtration Technical Assistance

phenrichs wrote:
I use Power Service exclusively. Grey bottle until temps hit 20 degrees and stay there. Then it is white bottle till spring returns.

I should mention that whatever you are using is absolutely dependent on the quality of fuel you are adding to. No two tanks of fuel are the same and in cold climates quality of fuel is everything.

2oldman wrote:

calamus wrote:
Im always skeptical of studies who paid for it?

I'm way more skeptical of what my buddies do.

:)

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

TxTiger wrote:
I use Opti-lube in my 2000 7.3. Very inexpensive and provides great lubrication. They've just come out with a cetane booster version.

How do you like it, i have looked at them and was wondering how good there products were. Looks like I will give them a try.
http://opti-lube.com/diesel-fuel-improver-summer.html

Don

Well I have read the reports, and the #2 item on the list right after Bio Diesel is Opti-Lube XPD, buy it in a gallon jug. 1st one with a pump. Does it make a difference, not sure, but doesn't cost so much that I I will stop using

Opti-lube XPD

hotpepperkid wrote:
I run Stanadyne or the stuff Ford sells in the winter, quits it down on start up

LOL
:B :B :B
Quiet buddy!

I run Stanadyne or the stuff Ford sells in the winter, quits it down on start up

I began using two-cycle oil in my '96 7.3 for lubrication enhancement after they required the 15ppm diesel fuel. I also use Power Service gray or white bottle for extra injector cleaning and/or anti-gelling in the wintertime.

The only thing I've had to change on the engine is the water pump, done this year.

I've owned this truck for 17 years now to tow my trailer and various other pulling and hauling duties, and I'll own it another 17 if I live long enough and don't wreck it.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

john&bet wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
You guys that think adding "lubricity" to "ULSD" is not needed in older per 07 trucks, are out of your minds. Older diesels are designed to run on standard diesel as in high sulfur content. Run your per 2007 diesel without adding some kind of lube to the fuel and you WILL be replacing your injection pump and injectors.

OP adding non-syn 2 cycle oil to your fuel will keep your diesel happy.
Here is a link to a site that has done a lot of research on it.Link

BTW there is not #1 or #2 diesel anymore, ULSD does have a winter blend or extra anti-gelling additives but that's it.

Don

BTW go to any of the real diesel engine manufactures web-sites and see what they are saying if you think it's just "marketing" ! :R

And just when do you think my 10 year old, 160k, '04.5 truck will die? Never a drop of additive in it.

Hay it's your truck and your the one that will be paying the repair bill if needed. Me I would rather be proactive and not reactive . I hope your never dies and runs forever, as I hope the same for my truck. If adding extra lube can help it get there whats the problem?

Don

You may be right, but it may be another 150-200k and 10 years before it happens. You bet your way, I bet my way. But the way some folks talk it should have died 100k or more ago. Oh well.