Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[wing_zealot]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
U of M study on cost of ownership good read.

Well Gee, guess what, I found a study that says just the opposite. If you drive a diesel Volkswagen Jetta well you can save a few thousand dollars. You drive diesel pickup truck, well you diesel guys may not want to read this.
Diesel Executive Summary
Diesel Analysis

The elements behind the data

By the way, here is your 2013 U of M Study which basically says the same thing and cites Vincentric as the source. Real U of M Study not some generic write up about it

Anyone using a Jetta to pull their RV?

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

U of M study on cost of ownership good read.

[bbaker2001]

wow, a lot of posts
I am looking at the dodge or chevy new.
I read about problems with injectors and other issues.
are the new trucks having issues that I should be aware of.
thanks

[rileybrake]

Depends on the climate you live in as well. I live in Canada where it can dip to below -40C. Its all well and good if you have a heated to garage to park in but without it... you better plug it in at the very least and not shut it off once its running. Also the newer ones you need to add DEF which is kind of a pain.

[Steakman]

Up here in Alberta and using the GAS BuDDY app...I can find good quality # 1 for $ 0.93/Litre

Gasoline is running anywhere from $ 1.13 - 1.19 per litre.

3.78 Litres to a US Gallon...

Have not seen Diesel pricing like this in a LOoooong time and most welcome I must say.!!
Ya gotta love it.!

Stk

[RUFFSTUFF]

Still paying >$2.85 here...

[parkersdad]

Just left the gas station. Regular unleaded is $2.65 and diesel is $2.59

[Tvov]

Last I looked (last week) diesel is about 30 cents more than 87 here in Connecticut.

[Ram4Sam]

Here in the Inland Empire, good old #2 is running about 80 cents less per gallon than the stinky stuff...........:C

Sam

[transferred]

Diesel is 40 cents cheaper than 87 in a third of fueling stations in Los Angeles County.

[Steakman]

Tequila wrote:
My dmax (lb7 engine)is in the shop right now having its 4th set of injectors installed at $4500 a shot. The truck has 120,000 miles on it. I am so close to going gas, its not funny. Also since I RV in Mexico where they do not import diesel Pickups, getting service down there is tough. Gas is looking better. I am towing 7000 lbs max.

WOW. I would add this: FILTER FILTER and FILTER some more...your fuel.

AirDog/FASS or a pair of Kennedy lift pumps with a Nictane filter would do wonders for those injectors.

Not sure if you have or don't have anything of the sort..but diesel is dirty fuel, the single OEM filter does not, in my opinion do enough filtering of the fuel nor does it removed entrained air from fuel being sent to the cp3.


I run a FASS, then to the OEM and finally a post OEM filter set up by Stanadyne (Fuel Manager), with a 2mU filter. Granted its an LBZ...but even an LB7 with a proper set of injectors, you should easily be getting 250k on a set...not 30k.

rgds,

Stk

[Steakman]

spud1957 wrote:

Jafee2 wrote:
I have a 2006 GMC HD Gas burner. It has the Allison transmission, is a four door crew cab, and has 10-ply 16" tires on it. I live in Alabama and did not know it until I went to purchase a tag for it that it was considered a "special tag" truck because of its weight and capacity. According to the DMV it weighs over 8,000 lbs. so I had to buy a more expensive tag. I have a 35 ft. Pilgrim bumper pull with 2 slides and it pulls it like it is not even back there. I also own a construction company and work it a good bit. I have put a pallet of concrete in the back of it with tool boxes and calculated the weight and had over 4100 lbs. in the bed! It is the only time I have ever seen that truck squat. I have the 6.0 not the V-10 gas burner. I am really wanting to upgrade to a 5th wheel toy hauler but am wanting input on if I will have trouble hauling a 38 to 40 ft. toy hauler. I am like the other gentleman, the biggest problem I have is that the title to my truck and trailer are in my gun vault! 🙂 Can I pull the bigger 5th wheels or do I need to upgrade to a dually?

You may have got ripped off at DMV. Your 2006 2500hd weighs about 7000lbs. The GVWR is over 8000lbs, that's what they usually use.

Are you sure you have an Allison transmission? Never seen them paired with the 6.0. They were paired with the 8.1 (V8 not V10 ) and Duramax.

The gas diesel debate is like the song that never ends. A toy hauler that size, and loaded, in all likelihood needs a diesel DRW.

First off...agreed that in all likelihood you do not have an Allison or your engine is an 8.1 L..although stranger things have indeed happened.

Secondly, if you are looking at pulling any kind of a 5th wheel with a2500...10,000 max weight loaded is about your limit. And even at that you will be over on pin weight. Anything bigger..you need a dually.

I would kindly suggest you take a good look at the sticker inside your drivers door and see what you are legally allowed to load up in your bed...you will find it ain't a lot. And no number of helper springs, airbags etc will change those numbers..its to do with the tire ratings at their maximum allowable weight rating.

As for the Actual weight of a 2500: I have a Titan Tank (52 Gal), plus a 30 gallon slip under my full toolbox and a steel front bumper...I weighed in with full fuel tanks, the dog n me inside at 7950lbs.

I too think you got hosed on your tag.

You have a 35 ft BUMPER PULL..?? Holy geez bye...how the heck do you even park that thing & where...?? With the A-frame up front you have got to be near 40' and drooping on the rear axle I'm guessing..?



Stk

[transamz9]

rhagfo wrote:

spud1957 wrote:

Tequila wrote:
My dmax (lb7 engine)is in the shop right now having its 4th set of injectors installed at $4500 a shot. The truck has 120,000 miles on it. I am so close to going gas, its not funny. Also since I RV in Mexico where they do not import diesel Pickups, getting service down there is tough. Gas is looking better. I am towing 7000 lbs max.

That's crazy!!!

Maybe a really good aftermarket filter and water seperator would save you some money!

Or a better shop.

[spud1957]

Jafee2 wrote:
I have a 2006 GMC HD Gas burner. It has the Allison transmission, is a four door crew cab, and has 10-ply 16" tires on it. I live in Alabama and did not know it until I went to purchase a tag for it that it was considered a "special tag" truck because of its weight and capacity. According to the DMV it weighs over 8,000 lbs. so I had to buy a more expensive tag. I have a 35 ft. Pilgrim bumper pull with 2 slides and it pulls it like it is not even back there. I also own a construction company and work it a good bit. I have put a pallet of concrete in the back of it with tool boxes and calculated the weight and had over 4100 lbs. in the bed! It is the only time I have ever seen that truck squat. I have the 6.0 not the V-10 gas burner. I am really wanting to upgrade to a 5th wheel toy hauler but am wanting input on if I will have trouble hauling a 38 to 40 ft. toy hauler. I am like the other gentleman, the biggest problem I have is that the title to my truck and trailer are in my gun vault! 🙂 Can I pull the bigger 5th wheels or do I need to upgrade to a dually?

You may have got ripped off at DMV. Your 2006 2500hd weighs about 7000lbs. The GVWR is over 8000lbs, that's what they usually use.

Are you sure you have an Allison transmission? Never seen them paired with the 6.0. They were paired with the 8.1 (V8 not V10 ) and Duramax.

The gas diesel debate is like the song that never ends. A toy hauler that size, and loaded, in all likelihood needs a diesel DRW.

[Jafee2]

I have a 2006 GMC HD Gas burner. It has the Allison transmission, is a four door crew cab, and has 10-ply 16" tires on it. I live in Alabama and did not know it until I went to purchase a tag for it that it was considered a "special tag" truck because of its weight and capacity. According to the DMV it weighs over 8,000 lbs. so I had to buy a more expensive tag. I have a 35 ft. Pilgrim bumper pull with 2 slides and it pulls it like it is not even back there. I also own a construction company and work it a good bit. I have put a pallet of concrete in the back of it with tool boxes and calculated the weight and had over 4100 lbs. in the bed! It is the only time I have ever seen that truck squat. I have the 6.0 not the V-10 gas burner. I am really wanting to upgrade to a 5th wheel toy hauler but am wanting input on if I will have trouble hauling a 38 to 40 ft. toy hauler. I am like the other gentleman, the biggest problem I have is that the title to my truck and trailer are in my gun vault! 🙂 Can I pull the bigger 5th wheels or do I need to upgrade to a dually?