Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[8_1_Van]

Jarlaxle wrote:

bluenote wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:
...it's fun to show how the cost advantage of a diesel went down the tubes when they doubled the cost of the diesel option since I purchaed my 2000 7.3 PSD and 2003 6.0 PSD and that diesel is now up to 85% more than gas at some stations.:B

The problem with that argument is many of us have excellent diesel tow vehicles who have realized a significant savings over the life of our trucks. It took me about 3½ years of fuel savings to pay for my diesel option and I now have a truck worth significantly more than the equivalent big block for trade-in or sale value. Even with the current cost of diesel fuel, it would be cheaper for me to drive this truck than the big block gasser I had previously and the gasser didn't do the job as well when towing heavy. Maybe if you put some variation to your argument, rather than spew the same tired rhetoric, you wouldn't look so much like a desperate troll.

But he IS desperate troll. I truly think he might be Supercharged posting under a different screen name.

Humor me again and say I should have kept my 2003 6.0 PSD Excursion AFTER the 5 year warranty ran out to carry 9-12 people and their luggage on long vacation trips to Florida etc. I know YOU think very highly of the 6.0 PSD.:B

[8_1_Van]

rrnelsonjr wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:

rrnelsonjr wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:

bluenote wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:
I guess this forum is changed from Diesel vs gas to Diesel is the only way to go for everyone.:R

If it's so awful, why do you keep posting?

Because it's fun to show how the cost advantage of a diesel went down the tubes when they doubled the cost of the diesel option since I purchaed my 2000 7.3 PSD and 2003 6.0 PSD and that diesel is now up to 85% more than gas at some stations.:B

What about those of us who don't have to pinch pennies?

If cost is not a factor then get a diesel but my PSD Excursions sat in the driveway 95% of the time and a gasser could do that for less money and start in the winter without a block heater.

What about those of us that use our trucks 95% of the time? I use mine to tow my travel trailer, a stock trailer loaded with 7500 lbs of cattle, or a 24 ft gooseneck trailer loaded with a 8000 lb crawler tractor with an eight ft disk or a hay swather.

Also, what about those of us that don't live in a cold enough climate to need the block heater...ever?

Are you people for real ? If a diesel works for YOU fine , but my 8.1 van works better for ME. YOU carry cattle and I carry people.

[rrnelsonjr]

Ace! wrote:
rrnelsonjr,

Just wondering since you posted about your use. Wouldn't a V10 Ford be up to the task and cost less?

Nope. I already said cost was not an issue. Before I was towing this heavy, I was using gas and it worked really well for me. When I started towing heavier things more often, I tried to continue with gas and I just wasn't happy with the experience. I tried big block gas in the past and wasn't as comfortable as I am now. If I ever quit towing heavier equipment then I will return to gas. My uncle has a D/A and never tows anything. He is starting to have egr problems and I think it is because the engine is never worked the way it was designed to work. The way I look at it, comfort is a question of money....how comfortable do you want to be.:B

[Ace_]

rrnelsonjr,

Just wondering since you posted about your use. Wouldn't a V10 Ford be up to the task and cost less?

[rrnelsonjr]

8.1 Van wrote:

rrnelsonjr wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:

bluenote wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:
I guess this forum is changed from Diesel vs gas to Diesel is the only way to go for everyone.:R

If it's so awful, why do you keep posting?

Because it's fun to show how the cost advantage of a diesel went down the tubes when they doubled the cost of the diesel option since I purchaed my 2000 7.3 PSD and 2003 6.0 PSD and that diesel is now up to 85% more than gas at some stations.:B

What about those of us who don't have to pinch pennies?

If cost is not a factor then get a diesel but my PSD Excursions sat in the driveway 95% of the time and a gasser could do that for less money and start in the winter without a block heater.

What about those of us that use our trucks 95% of the time? I use mine to tow my travel trailer, a stock trailer loaded with 7500 lbs of cattle, or a 24 ft gooseneck trailer loaded with a 8000 lb crawler tractor with an eight ft disk or a hay swather.

Also, what about those of us that don't live in a cold enough climate to need the block heater...ever?

[Jarlaxle]

bluenote wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:
...it's fun to show how the cost advantage of a diesel went down the tubes when they doubled the cost of the diesel option since I purchaed my 2000 7.3 PSD and 2003 6.0 PSD and that diesel is now up to 85% more than gas at some stations.:B

The problem with that argument is many of us have excellent diesel tow vehicles who have realized a significant savings over the life of our trucks. It took me about 3½ years of fuel savings to pay for my diesel option and I now have a truck worth significantly more than the equivalent big block for trade-in or sale value. Even with the current cost of diesel fuel, it would be cheaper for me to drive this truck than the big block gasser I had previously and the gasser didn't do the job as well when towing heavy. Maybe if you put some variation to your argument, rather than spew the same tired rhetoric, you wouldn't look so much like a desperate troll.

But he IS desperate troll. I truly think he might be Supercharged posting under a different screen name.

[bluenote]

8.1 Van wrote:
I am not YOU, I had a 2003 6.0 PSD Excursion that was too small for 9-12 people and luggage for long trips to Florida etc and was at the end of the 6.0 PSD warranty so I sold it when diesel was less than gas last year. Humor me by saying the 2003 6.0 PSD is a great engine to have after the 5 year warranty runs out.

AND....NONE OF THE REST OF US ARE YOU EITHER! Why don't you humor us and get a new schtick?

[8_1_Van]

bluenote wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:
...it's fun to show how the cost advantage of a diesel went down the tubes when they doubled the cost of the diesel option since I purchaed my 2000 7.3 PSD and 2003 6.0 PSD and that diesel is now up to 85% more than gas at some stations.:B

The problem with that argument is many of us have excellent diesel tow vehicles who have realized a significant savings over the life of our trucks. It took me about 3½ years of fuel savings to pay for my diesel option and I now have a truck worth significantly more than the equivalent big block for trade-in or sale value. Even with the current cost of diesel fuel, it would be cheaper for me to drive this truck than the big block gasser I had previously and the gasser didn't do the job as well when towing heavy. Maybe if you put some variation to your argument, rather than spew the same tired rhetoric, you wouldn't look so much like a desperate troll.

I am not YOU, I had a 2003 6.0 PSD Excursion that was too small for 9-12 people and luggage for long trips to Florida etc and was at the end of the 6.0 PSD warranty so I sold it when diesel was less than gas last year. Humor me by saying the 2003 6.0 PSD is a great engine to have after the 5 year warranty runs out.

[8_1_Van]

rrnelsonjr wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:

bluenote wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:
I guess this forum is changed from Diesel vs gas to Diesel is the only way to go for everyone.:R

If it's so awful, why do you keep posting?

Because it's fun to show how the cost advantage of a diesel went down the tubes when they doubled the cost of the diesel option since I purchaed my 2000 7.3 PSD and 2003 6.0 PSD and that diesel is now up to 85% more than gas at some stations.:B

What about those of us who don't have to pinch pennies?

If cost is not a factor then get a diesel but my PSD Excursions sat in the driveway 95% of the time and a gasser could do that for less money and start in the winter without a block heater.

[mgratner]

Bluenote

Amen in spades

Cigar Mike

[bluenote]

8.1 Van wrote:
...it's fun to show how the cost advantage of a diesel went down the tubes when they doubled the cost of the diesel option since I purchaed my 2000 7.3 PSD and 2003 6.0 PSD and that diesel is now up to 85% more than gas at some stations.:B

The problem with that argument is many of us have excellent diesel tow vehicles who have realized a significant savings over the life of our trucks. It took me about 3½ years of fuel savings to pay for my diesel option and I now have a truck worth significantly more than the equivalent big block for trade-in or sale value. Even with the current cost of diesel fuel, it would be cheaper for me to drive this truck than the big block gasser I had previously and the gasser didn't do the job as well when towing heavy. Maybe if you put some variation to your argument, rather than spew the same tired rhetoric, you wouldn't look so much like a desperate troll.

[Ace_]

I guess for those that don't care (aren't pinching pennies), they could pass over any post from him without reading it, or responding.

[rrnelsonjr]

8.1 Van wrote:

bluenote wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:
I guess this forum is changed from Diesel vs gas to Diesel is the only way to go for everyone.:R

If it's so awful, why do you keep posting?

Because it's fun to show how the cost advantage of a diesel went down the tubes when they doubled the cost of the diesel option since I purchaed my 2000 7.3 PSD and 2003 6.0 PSD and that diesel is now up to 85% more than gas at some stations.:B

What about those of us who don't have to pinch pennies?

[8_1_Van]

bluenote wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:
I guess this forum is changed from Diesel vs gas to Diesel is the only way to go for everyone.:R

If it's so awful, why do you keep posting?

Because it's fun to show how the cost advantage of a diesel went down the tubes when they doubled the cost of the diesel option since I purchaed my 2000 7.3 PSD and 2003 6.0 PSD and that diesel is now up to 85% more than gas at some stations.:B

[Bayou_Boogie]

Hi all, this is my first post so be gentle. Ty. Diesel or gas question depends on what kind of tow trailer you have in mind of pulling, if I'm just pulling a small camper 24' or smaller, sure I'm thinking of a gasser for the truck, but anything else would definately have to be diesel. Most people here that have had both types of motors, can and will testify how not having the annoying down shift of a gasser in rolling hills will answer the problem. Yes, it only takes one trip towing and you must honestly agree if you are towing -diesel is and always will be the answer(no brand in perticular--I like Dodge for the Cummings and tight turning radius) to this long problem. Since I tow a 33' fifth-wheel, I can at least say, without being too bias, most towing is best done with the new turbo diesels.