Don't remove camper from truck ARGH!!

[mdpay]

I'm frustrated and tired of hearing this from campgrounds. I have heard this from all types of campgrounds. This seems like an outdated policy. Perhaps Truck Camper Magazine and Manufactures could spend a little time to educate and promote the usage of their products to campgrounds.

Me avoiding the campground won't get them to change their policy. Just saying:)

[tmartin000]

My opinion is simple really.

In the olden days campers were not near as expensive nor sophisticated, and that stereotype just hasn't gone away yet. With that old stereotype came beat-up old pieces of **** that were probably abandoned, caught fire or fell and broke up, while they were off the truck.

I'm hoping the trend is getting less and less prevalent.

[NRALIFR]

travelnutz wrote:
......... I was on the board of directors for 9 years for a very large RV CG and Resort .............

There's your sign.

This is probably why I've been able to take my camper off the truck so many times I can't count. It never even occurred to me that I should ask permission to do something with my stuff that it was designed to do. :R How come they don't apply that same (lack of) logic to tents? They don't have wheels. They aren't vehicles. They don't meet code. Pitch a tent in a campground and then drive away from it, it's an abandoned structure! Call the Sheriff! OMG there's no tag, no registration, who left this here, what do we do???? Oh wait, maybe we could check the sign-in book in the office and see who rented this spot.

I've been TC'ing for a long time too, and owned several. I've even camped in Michigan. I think I'll just continue doing what I've been doing.

It never ceases to amaze me all the nutty things "governing bodies" do. You would think that with that many people working together there would be more wisdom to come out of their work. Too often is just bull excrement x 10.

This is why I don't join groups.

:):)

[Vinsil]

Reality Check wrote:

Vinsil wrote:
I had mine off twice in the last 11 days and both in CA, one was a state park in the Redwoods. It's got a plate, I pay insurance and it has a title. I'd call it an RV eith that. If other states don't agree, I'll kindly not use those facilities (we boondock mostly, not a camp ground kind of family) or visit those states IF...it became a problem. Just like my TC covers my truck plate...it's legal in my state and my TC is plated. I knkw for a fact our state doesn't (or shoukdn't) give tickets to vehicles that donlt require a front plate....if they are complying with the original states regulations.


I'm buying a boat and plan to take my TC off often. Will also do in any place I visit.

You rebel you...

Haha...I guess. Just haven't had this issue and really...places that wouldn't want me and my TC...well...we might have other issues as well so best to part ways friends at that point. Besides...camp grounds...yuck.

[Grit_dog]

Good to know jimh. Thanks. Hadn't even considered there'd be an issue w it, but then again I rarely camp in proper campgrounds. Usually just in the boonies somewhere.

[pcoplin]

Everytime I hear of limited access applied to truck campers, it's always the higher end RV parks. Not saying yours was, but likely private with hookups?

If I were going to those places, I would certainly not have a truck camper. I'd have a large tailer or motorcoach.




Last weekend it just jumped off the truck. Oh man!


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[Strabo]

tonymull wrote:
Carp (sp) gets bleeped??? WTF??

Heres a tip from many years as a member in here,

Space your letters out 🙂

C A R P is a 4 letter word recognised by other adults, it refers to a specific spieces of fish that i dont eat. If by chance a young child or teen might by chance skim thru this thread about campers and read the word C A R P, it could harm the child mentaly.

The defence rests your Honor.....:W

[Reality_Check]

Vinsil wrote:
I had mine off twice in the last 11 days and both in CA, one was a state park in the Redwoods. It's got a plate, I pay insurance and it has a title. I'd call it an RV eith that. If other states don't agree, I'll kindly not use those facilities (we boondock mostly, not a camp ground kind of family) or visit those states IF...it became a problem. Just like my TC covers my truck plate...it's legal in my state and my TC is plated. I knkw for a fact our state doesn't (or shoukdn't) give tickets to vehicles that donlt require a front plate....if they are complying with the original states regulations.


I'm buying a boat and plan to take my TC off often. Will also do in any place I visit.

You rebel you...

[Vinsil]

I had mine off twice in the last 11 days and both in CA, one was a state park in the Redwoods. It's got a plate, I pay insurance and it has a title. I'd call it an RV eith that. If other states don't agree, I'll kindly not use those facilities (we boondock mostly, not a camp ground kind of family) or visit those states IF...it became a problem. Just like my TC covers my truck plate...it's legal in my state and my TC is plated. I knkw for a fact our state doesn't (or shoukdn't) give tickets to vehicles that donlt require a front plate....if they are complying with the original states regulations.


I'm buying a boat and plan to take my TC off often. Will also do in any place I visit.

[Reality_Check]

travelnutz wrote:


Ignorance is bliss!!!

lol, and once again, the authority has spoken.

Seriously, we need to rethink this. Why even discuss it, as there is a chance that he's correct..

[jimh406]

travelnutz wrote:
Ignorance is bliss!!!

I agree with that! 🙂

[Daryl_B]

jimh425 wrote:
Travelnutz seems to need to get out more.

RV is only an RV when on a carrying vehicle. I guess that outlaws trailers of all types if they aren't hooked up. Class As,Bs, and Cs aren't if they had engine problems. Seriously, that's total nonsense.

People could never leave other trash/cars/rvs on federal/state land. It's only TCs that are a problem. 🙂 TCs are RVs. It doesn't take a lot of work to prove it. The easiest proof is probably the US tax code that allows interest to be deducted as a second home.

I wonder if Michigan is really that backward, and it would be great to hear from other people from that great state.

Grit dog, Yellowstone definitely considers a TC an RV, and you can take it off if you desire. That means you also have to stay out of Tent Only spaces.

I'm from Michigan, I take my camper off the truck depending on how long I'm going to be staying in one place. I've never had a campground tell me I can't take it off.

[travelnutz]

jimh425,

Wise up! Perhaps it's you how doesn't get out much! In many or most states (not only Michigan by far) a TC is titled but does NOT have it's own licensed/tags as they are only recognized as cargo on the licensed hauling vehicle. States differ! Therefore, it's only cargo/RV part of the hauling vehicle only WHEN actually mounted/carried on THAT licensed vehicle. Check the various state laws a codes and they state such. You may be in for a rude awakening!

Class A's, B's, C's, TT's, and 5th wheels, etc having their own propelling means or not have their OWN wheels and are designated RV's and both titled and licensed/registered as stand alone RV's. TC's are NOT in most states! Most insurance policies also reinforce this definition also. Many only cover the TC when it's on the insured vehicle. Why do you think that is?

Ignorance is bliss!!!

[jimh406]

Travelnutz seems to need to get out more.

RV is only an RV when on a carrying vehicle. I guess that outlaws trailers of all types if they aren't hooked up. Class As,Bs, and Cs aren't if they had engine problems. Seriously, that's total nonsense.

People could never leave other trash/cars/rvs on federal/state land. It's only TCs that are a problem. 🙂 TCs are RVs. It doesn't take a lot of work to prove it. The easiest proof is probably the US tax code that allows interest to be deducted as a second home.

I wonder if Michigan is really that backward, and it would be great to hear from other people from that great state.

Grit dog, Yellowstone definitely considers a TC an RV, and you can take it off if you desire. That means you also have to stay out of Tent Only spaces.

[_DJ_1]

travelnutz wrote:
Many campgrounds BAN removal of a TC from the truck and more are or are being required to by state or local laws etc. More and more common! A TC is not and actual RV as defined by most state etc laws/rules/codes because it has NO wheels or capability of rolling on roads or being moved quickly or reasonably if need be for any reason. Once an TC is removed from the truck, it becomes a stationary planted structure that's not removable by towing and doesn't meet state or local codes.

I know for a fact that the axles and wheels must be left on any and all RV units and a current license/registration must be attached in Michigan when in any CG or public land as I was on the board of directors for 9 years for a very large RV CG and Resort and the state laws were enforced and fines issued for non-conformance by the county sheriff. Seen it many times! Sometimes a warning was given first to comply within X time or the warning would become a citation and the CG got a copy. Simply put, a TC off the truck/carrying vehicle not being on the owners property, a dealer's property, a repair facility, licensed storage facility, etc is deemed to be an abandoned item and NOT an RV because it is NOT a VEHICLE! Just a structure!

Also, so many old or dilapidated/broken jack systems etc TC's have been abandoned in CG's and/or on state or federal land usually with the serial no. identifications having been removed or totally obliterated to prevent owner identification. Many states didn't or don't issue required titles or registration for TC's. Then the CG owner or local Gov or state or federal Gov has to pay the cost for removal after going thru the long process of getting full authority or court approval to do so. In a CG, this renders the campsite space unusable and an eyesore until removal is actually done.

AS a constant TC owner for over 50 years now and on our 7th TC, I fully agree with not allowing a TC to be removed in a CG or on public land as it's only an RV when on the carrying vehicle. A ~100 sq ft box with no wheels simply sitting on the ground can not be classified as an RV nor an occupiable living structure by humans in any U.S. state I'm aware of. Doesn't meet the codes and check yours!

So there you have it folks. Stay out of Michigan if you want to off load your TC. And I thought California was the nanny state!!

[Reality_Check]

travelnutz wrote:
Many campgrounds BAN removal of a TC from the truck and more are or are being required to by state or local laws etc. More and more common! A TC is not and actual RV as defined by most state etc laws/rules/codes because it has NO wheels or capability of rolling on roads or being moved quickly or reasonably if need be for any reason. Once an TC is removed from the truck, it becomes a stationary planted structure that's not removable by towing and doesn't meet state or local codes.

I know for a fact that the axles and wheels must be left on any and all RV units and a current license/registration must be attached in Michigan when in any CG or public land as I was on the board of directors for 9 years for a very large RV CG and Resort and the state laws were enforced and fines issued for non-conformance by the county sheriff. Seen it many times! Sometimes a warning was given first to comply within X time or the warning would become a citation and the CG got a copy. Simply put, a TC off the truck/carrying vehicle not being on the owners property, a dealer's property, a repair facility, licensed storage facility, etc is deemed to be an abandoned item and NOT an RV because it is NOT a VEHICLE! Just a structure!

Also, so many old or dilapidated/broken jack systems etc TC's have been abandoned in CG's and/or on state or federal land usually with the serial no. identifications having been removed or totally obliterated to prevent owner identification. Many states didn't or don't issue required titles or registration for TC's. Then the CG owner or local Gov or state or federal Gov has to pay the cost for removal after going thru the long process of getting full authority or court approval to do so. In a CG, this renders the campsite space unusable and an eyesore until removal is actually done.

AS a constant TC owner for over 50 years now and on our 7th TC, I fully agree with not allowing a TC to be removed in a CG or on public land as it's only an RV when on the carrying vehicle. A ~100 sq ft box with no wheels simply sitting on the ground can not be classified as an RV nor an occupiable living structure by humans in any U.S. state I'm aware of. Doesn't meet the codes and check yours!

Well then, I think this answers everything. Discussion over.




Except for.... in some places it is a licensed vehicle.

It's an "eyesore" in who's opinion?

Please... nanny state revisited and nothing is black and white, even if one wishes it to be.